Oh, Amerika…

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So yesterday I was listening to the latest podcast by Chris White, where he is talking about a few different topics, one of which being the whole question of whether or not we see America being any kind of “player” in the Last Days…

He has some good things to say about the matter, but then shortly after this I went and read these incredible comments left by Deidre on her recent post: God Will Allow False Signs And Wonders.

Perhaps I could just go ahead and repost the entire article, because everything she has to say here is just phenomenal. I’m honestly still taking it all in. One of the main things she mentions which really resonated with me was this idea of the United States being analogous to the False Prophet, and Israel being analogous to the Beast. Now, I will say that I still do believe that there will be coming two literal figures who will be the Beast and False Prophet, but as with so many other instances of scripture, I definitely accept this idea of there being the possibility of several layers of fulfillment.

The idea that the U.S. could be justly labeled as the “False Prophet” for Israel has merit, to my thinking, for anyone who understands much about the “New World Order” and all that has already occurred over the past couple hundred years in the “New Atlantis” we call America, and all that has been done through it to bring about the creation of political Israel by these same oligarchical, Luciferian puppeteers. So, as I was listening to Chris White talk about how we can’t really say for sure whether America will “be around” during the Last Days, because we don’t know just what might occur in the near future in terms of political upheavals and the progression of globalization, the possible creation of things like the “North American Union” or other large geo-political blocs or “regional concentrations”, etc., this thought occurred to me… Even IF America suddenly was wiped off the map tomorrow, and did not continue on in any form, did not become part of any coalition or union or anything, but was just GONE and done, it would STILL have played probably THE most significant role in the creation of political Israel in 1948 and the overall installation of the “beast-system-infrastructure” around the globe… So, in that sense, regardless of just how America “fits in” the Last Days events in terms of all the Middle Eastern wars and everything else, I already see it as being a “player”! It’s already had a bigger impact on the rest of the world than any other nation in terms of pop culture, entertainment, technology, government policy, economics, military expansion, over the 20th Century, and into this one. Hands down. Ok, so, all that being said, now read what Deidre wrote about America being a “type” of Babylon….

To me, the Bible is the most intriguing book b/c it is made up of many books inspired by Spirit filled people. And because there is no depth, nor end to the beauty and majesty and power and wonder of our LORD, the Bible is like an onion, with layers upon layers of understanding and not just natural man type understanding but spiritual understanding.

I believe America is a TYPE of Babylon. According to 1 John 5:19 the WHOLE world lies in wickedness. Many want to pin the ‘blame’ on the Vatican or Israel or Russia or whatever. Babylon is the whole world. The seven hills are the seven continents. Mountains are an allegory for ‘governments’. FATHER even describes the false church as a she (even though she is practically run by mostly men) and a whore.

When JESUS rode into Jerusalem on a donkey (a beast of burden), I believe HE was showing us a parable. Our flesh is a beast of burden: our spirit self lives inside this beast-it fights against us and thus is a burden. What did Paul say?

Romans 7 14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

The flesh is a beast!!! How many times I have wanted to kick myself or worse for the thing that I knew was wrong, but did anyways? Why? I know in my heart I want to serve JESUS, I want to be “pure”. But JESUS said, ‘Flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom of GOD.” Phew!! Amen!!! Because if that was the case, we’d be a mess FOREVER.

So here is JESUS riding into physical Jerusalem on a beast. HE is on the flesh. Will we surrender to JESUS and let HIM ride upon our flesh all the way into Spiritual Jerusalem? HE said, HIS yoke is easy and burden is light, that HE would never put on us more than we can bare! But ride upon us HE must! There is no other way. HE not only died for our sins and bore them, HE showed us how we must approach this ‘physical’ life not being concerned about what we would eat, wear, or live. FLESH MUST surrender and DIE and it must do so ‘Willingly’. Wow!!! and that is the battle Paul speaks about.

What country declares (or did) its allegiance to GOD in the form of Christianity? America. What country has aligned itself the most with Israel? America. Why does Israel claim to be a nation?

Many people refer to Luke 21:29And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; 30When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. 31So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

..as Israel becoming a nation. Ok so what if it is? But did JESUS say it was a GOOD thing? Is Israel a holy place? Are the Christ rejecting Jews holy? There are only two groups of people-save and unsaved. Period. Paul makes it so crystal clear that there are no titles– male/female, Jew, Gentile, or Greek. It does not matter if you are a eunuch!!! Ones physical state, nation, creed, color, is not the issue. Everything is Spiritual. When we talk about false signs and wonders–what does it matter if I raise someone from the dead, but they reject Christ? They are spiritually dead.

Do other nations of the world consider Israel to be the holy land? I mean its so holy they are ripping each other apart daily. It’s so holy there are gay pride parades, prostitution, adultery, witchcraft etc…

Perhaps if we look at things from the view of allegory, maybe we would get a different perspective.

In one layer of prophecy Jerusalem WAS surrounded and sacked. JESUS warned it would be destroyed and destroyed it was. Is it true/accurate that Israel will be surrounded again in the near future and if so why? Luke 21 again. Who are the Gentiles? What is a Gentile? According to etymonline it is one who is not a Christian, and also one who is not a Jew. So, some faction, a group of non believers in GOD? Many times throughout the Bible, GOD would warn of something and it may not come to pass for days, months, years. The same happened with JESUS and HIS declaration that Jerusalem would be destroyed. That already happened.

So basically you’ve got a bunch of spiritually dead people, playing a lot of dead games. It’s all dead because it is all flesh. So can Israel be the beast? Or one layer of what ‘the beast’ is? Sure! It sure is fleshly!

I can’t tell you how much this explanation makes so much sense to me…  I’m beginning to think more and more that so much of the time, when we get into discussions and studies of prophecy and eschatology, we often get caught into thinking it’s always an “either/or” kind of choice, in terms of how something might be fulfilled, and we end up spending hours upon hours debating and trying to place one idea over another, when I think a lot of the time (maybe not all the time, but sometimes) there is the possibility that both perspectives carry a good degree of truth, and both forms of fulfillment have validity because prophecy, (like Deidre so eloquently puts it) can work on multiple “layers”.  I hope such a statement doesn’t come across as some sort of relativistic statement about truth, because I certainly believe that Truth is quite objective, and knowable, and not relativistic whatsoever.  Prophecy, I suppose, because it comes straight from the eternal, omniscient and infinite mind of a sovereign God, has to be allowed to work on such multiple layers, because God is certainly capable of weaving it all together, using true historical elements and events from the past to foreshadow and typify things yet to come, all within the realm of humanity that operates with true free will!  It blows my mind to really stop and think about how that can even be, but it’s true.  Anyhow, I could probably start a whole separate BLOG in which I did nothing else but talk about all the ways that Amerika has contributed to and been used by the NWO folks to push the AC agenda forward, but I won’t. 🙂

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16 thoughts on “Oh, Amerika…”

  1. Hi, Strange great post, and great words from Deirdre.
    I know I should be posting this comment on your prior post, but comments are just about closed.
    Our whole conversation stemmed from my comment about FAKE prophecy. I listen to Dahboo7 videos almost every night, and tonight, he had this one. He even mentions FAKE prophecy. It’s very Strange the timing of it, wouldn’t you say?

    1. Sold out by the PTB, but not by the LORD. HE is the ‘author and perfector of our faith’ and the just live by faith. ALL things are working together. So very hard to see this. So hard to choke down persecution. ‘They’ can worship their ‘father’ all they want and kill and kill, but that will not stop GOD’s will be done.
      I get what the tuber is saying, but there is a rising above this matrix and it is only through the Holy Spirit. Some of what he is saying is fear porn. There will be an ‘end of the age’. And I am leary of anyone who ags me on to ‘fight’. GOD’s people MUST be lead by the Holy Spirit and Him alone! It is imperative. We are to fear not: what does it matter if your flesh perishes? If you are born again, you are ALIVE. And when you depart from this flesh, you will be more alive: to live is Christ, to die is gain.

      1. And I do agree with what he said about loving everyone. If we will stop looking at people with natural eyes and see everyone as a spirit being that needs the LORD, our perspective will change. I DO NOT agree with his points on a ying and yang. That sortof puts satan on par with GOD and that is so wrong. The ‘force’ is a witchcraft thing: people thinking they can ‘bend the force’ to their favor. I am wary of that.

      2. Amen to that Deirdre. The main reason I posted that; 1) Fake prophecy has been the topic of conversation around here the last couple of days, and I just thought it was bizarre that Dahboo posts that video, mentioning FAKE prophecy tonight! 2) I’m not sure that Dahboo is born again, but he seems to know that prophecy is being faked.
        I just thought the timing of this was weird!

        1. Agree! A brother once told me that we could get info from sources there were not ‘Christian’. Its a tedious gleaning, so wise to stay in the Word and prayer. And yes, unbelievers def know a lot is going on. The satanic jews, underestimate the goy sometimes.

    2. Yea, I don’t listen to for his “spiritual” insight. He does, however cover the top news stories quite well, that’s the main reason for listening to him.
      I just thought it was very interesting that someone who isn’t very deep into the Christian side of things is awake enough to know that they are faking bible prophecy. I would say that some “so-called” Christians could learn from him!, as they are some of the most gullible people on earth.

    1. “A cornered rat”.
      Yes, the world is definitely reacting to the atrocities being carried out by Israel in Gaza, and rightly so. But you have to take a step back. Would we EVEN be hearing about it all if “they” didn’t want us to know about it? NO; after all, they own all the major news outlets. So you have to ask yourself; “why”?
      The first thing that comes to mind is the “SAMSON OPTION”.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

      This name, Samson is taken from the story of Samson in the Bible, who brought the building down on himself, as well as his enemies. This is the concept of the Samson Option, only we’re talking about nuclear weapons! They will nuke the whole world, if they see they are going to be defeated. They will NOT cry out to GOD to save them, they take it upon themselves to destroy the world!
      I think this may tie in with MORE FAKE prophecy; a FAKE ARMAGEDDON. The results would SURELY look like what the Bible says will happen when Jesus’ feet touch the Mount of Olives, the difference is; JESUS WILL DO THAT, not Israel! But their version will surely appear to be just that!

      Here’s a quote from the above link:

      “We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: ‘Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.’ I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under”.

      1. I had never heard of the Samson effect. Ugh. We really need to pray for all those that are caught in the crossfires. Endure till the end is what Jesus said, and these folks (in our time) are leading the way. come quickly King Yahshua

    1. I completely understand! But like I stated before, there are a lot of sources one can glean certain bits of information from. I certainly don’t hang out at darkmoons site for one b/c my brain is no that big. I get lost pretty quick. And the most important b/c it is not Christ centered. Gotta stay focused. Hope that clarifies things? (-:
      I’ve read Makow for years now, but even on his site I get lost….The BIBLE is a much better read!

    2. No problem! And I agree with you about race. (not the flesh but the spirit we must focus on.) Anyways I did say proceed with caution….)-: Which reminds me I better stay on task with what FATHER is giving me and not my souls intentions. AMEN!

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