It’s Us…”: The Esoteric Messages of Interstellar…

adamtouchingadaminterstellar A large amount of retrospection has already been given to the many memes and concepts present within the movie “Interstellar”, one of the best I’ve read being the one done over on Jay’s Analysis, so I’m not sure just how much fresh insight I might have to add to the conversation, but then again, I believe that much like “2001: A Space Odyssey” which has already been compared/contrasted a great against Interstellar (and deservedly so I would say), this movie is one that will be dissected and pondered for many years to come. Insert prerequisite spoiler alert here. (but honestly, if you haven’t seen Interstellar by now, I’m guessing you probably weren’t planning to…) Rather than going down all the “wormholes” of discussing the many specific scientific questions touched upon in the film, such as relativity, interdimensional travel, quantum theory, transcending space/time, artificial intelligence, etc. (all of which are super fun, but probably already covered elsewhere far better than I can here) I simply wanted to step back and see if I could distill a fairly simplistic concept which I honestly felt was a rather new one, or at least one articulated in a new or more blatant fashion. One of the best reviews/”decryptions” of this film I’ve yet read is from Jay’s Analysis, where he asserts that the main point of the film is that defeating death and transcending the material world will ultimately be accomplished by way of man working symbiotically with A.I. He says:

The end of the universe and entrance to the Tesseract appears to have a lattice structure which TARS explains was “created” by “them” to give a fixed point in space and time to reveal these truths. In other words, the matrix-like structure of the universe is meant to be transcended (so the film’s worldview is saying) through an evolved, emergent deus ex machina. Readers may disagree, but I believe this is the best analysis of the worldview presented, as the film consistently upholds the Darwinian perspective. On this view, it is only natural to expect the means by which man might transcend his final frontiers is artificial intelligence and transhumanism.

Now, I find these observations fascinating, and I’m quite inclined to agree with him, but for me, what was most significant about the film’s message as a whole, regardless of whatever combination of specific technologies/theories are portrayed as making this possible, was in the simple fact that they actually reveal who “They” are! This was a drastic difference in my view, from say, the premise of “2001: A Space Odyssey”, whereTARS & CASE the infamous “obelisk” (which many have astutely pointed out is alluded to in Interstellar by the shapes of the A.I. robots…) is found by humanity, but the builders of the Obelisk remain a mystery. We never learn exactly who “They” are. Some advanced alien race, we are left to assume. Similarly, the movie “Contact” (which also starred Mathew McConaughey, interestingly enough) ended with the scientist (Jodie Foster) traveling through space through a network of wormholes, (which “They” built), but again, we never see “Them”, or learn much about them, beyond that they are looking out for humanity and trying to give their little brothers in the universe a helping hand in catching up with them… Interstellar I thought was quite unique in that it starts out by incorporating several instances of what would typically be categorized as “paranormal activity”, and then weaves the storyline along until we learn that Cooper (the Dad) is the one causing these phenomena, in his attempts to communicate with his daughter from his own vantage point in the “fifth dimensional matrix” after falling into the black hole. So essentially, what you wind up with at the end is a form of scientifically-garbed Necromancy…(!) Under the premise that gravity itself is a force which transcends all the dimensions, the idea is that what might be perceived as “ghosts” or “spirits” from our own 3-dimensional plane, are simply just “intelligences” existing within a higher dimensional framework. Okay, nothing really new there. But when added to the expanded concepts of relativity, and the inherent assumptions of the Evolutionist’s underlying philosophical belief in “progress”, all the pieces are put into place towards which a new lens for interpreting who “They” could be, is provided. 12085859_f520“They” are “Us”. This is portrayed in many ways, on many levels, throughout the film, but one of the most central is shown by way of a “being” that Dr. Brand (Anne Hathaway) sees as the crew first flies through the wormhole on their way across the universe. Time and space are bending/whirling, and everyone is having their little “acid trip moment”, and in the middle of this Dr. Brand turns her head and sees a strange “hand” reaching out towards here, a person-shaped “ripple” in the fabric of space/time. She reaches out and touches it, saying “first contact” (or something like that) just before they pop out on the other side of the wormhole. Of course, later in the movie we see that this “being” is really Cooper, on his way back through the wormhole, after falling into the black hole “Gargantua” and have his whole interdimensional poltergeist “conversation” with his daughter in the bookshelf tesseract “place”. The “transcendended” Cooper was the “ghost”. This whole sequence, I believe, really encapsulates so much of what could be referred to as “speculative Luciferianism”. Occultism essentially is a belief system which opens itself to the idea of interacting with beings of a higher dimensional existence with the hopes of that interaction being that which gives us the keys to “unlock” our next stage of development, or conquer whatever existential problems we are facing, or whatever. As in the film, embracing the “paranormal” and the intelligences trying to communicate from the “other side” is viewed as ultimately profitable, and something not to be feared, for in the end, the only “beings” out there who might communicate us are really just some more highly-evolved versions of our own selves. In this type of cosmology, concepts like “angels” and “demons” are antiquated and silly, because it is believed that of course human beings are both good and bad, (as represented by characters like Dr. Mann in the film) and so naturally, there are going to be “bumps along the way” in the broader progression of human evolution. Sure, there might be “scary” moments or “confrontational” individuals, but hey, that’s just human history unfolding. One of the messages of the film is that by pressing onward, and being willing to personally cross over the “event horizon”, we will eventually learn the secrets behind all these “weird” anomalies, we will “solve gravity”, transcend 3-dimensional space/time, and even defeat death, with a great cry of “Eureka”! In essence, we will become “gods”, and this quite possibly with the help of our own god-like selves from the future, or advanced A.I.’s who have somehow “uploaded” into the ether of the universe itself, digital “spirits” who can navigate through higher dimensions the same way people can, and all whom have most likely figured out ways of communicating through time/space by manipulating things like gravity…(!) Interstellar-02-GQ-30Oct14_pr_b_1083x658 So…. Who (according to this Gnostic storyline) are “They”? “They” are US! We are the angels. We are the demons. We are the “aliens”. We are gods. We, as both a species and as individuals, don’t just survive, but we evolve, destined for an existence that goes beyond “this little patch of dirt we call Earth”… This is just, fascinating. A very robust cohesion of ancient Gnostic/occult philosophy, and 21st-century scientism and Evolutionary theory. It really is all a part of the same big Lie, which goes all the way back to the serpent in the Garden.

“You will not certainly die, your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God”… (from Genesis 3:4,5)

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10 thoughts on ““It’s Us…”: The Esoteric Messages of Interstellar…”

  1. Yes, when reduced down, it all comes back to HIS Word: “You are like gods, but you die like mere men!” ‘you be like’ is so not the same as IS or I AM. And in loserfers take, his idea of imitation leads to nowhere. It is a blessing that we die. And through Christ Who Is the Door, we not only ‘become’ when we are born again through the Spirit, but will become even more when we shed this seed shell! AMEN!! Praise GOD!!!

    The Gospel message truly is simple, but the Truth is evil spoken of…

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  2. It is interesting to evaluate that discovery (Answer to Who are they?) through a Darwinian lens. On a biological level, creatures adapt to their environments, better suit them, and continue to evolve. However, what if that was applied to other aspects? In Interstellar, it’s applied to not only biology, but deeper aspects of human intellect, ability, and dimensions. Since humans are continually evolving, it seems plausible that “We” could reach another dimensional level to being “They.” So, the Darwinian perspective seems like a satisfactory system (that is to say, consistent with the author) to explain how Cooper reached the other dimension. Thanks for this insight.

    I think there could also be a psychological aspect to this plot. Namely, Cooper’s realization that he is the “They” or the “ghost” provides a peace for Murph. This peace comes from the psychological need for personal care.

    There is something unnerving about being left to the processes of nature. Nature, in its physical sense, does not consider love, sympathy, morals, or other abstract realities. Instead, nature just is. Nature is a system of processes. This is unnerving, since to face nature in all its unpredictability is almost a futile task. Nature, in its unpredictable tragedy, does not care for the individual. The individual is just capital in its processes. However, this unnerving belief is not concluded by the author.

    Instead, Murph find her ghost: a personal, real father, Cooper. Her psychological need for personal care is met, since she is not left to the cruelty of nature. Indeed, she is not guaranteed safety, but she is guaranteed a basis of care. She is guaranteed that someone is trying. If someone is trying, that gives grounds for hope. However, if nature is merely driving along, caring none for the individual, then “Eat and drink, for tomorrow we die.”

    So, the writer does not only explain Cooper’s ascension to the dimensions through Darwinian processes; but, he explains the placement of Cooper in the higher dimensions by the psychological necessity for ultimate, personal care. The hope of the movie does not stem from being left to nature, but from the knowledge of a personal, caring guide. May it be that we all have a personal, caring Guide.

  3. Hey Will my name is Derek been following you videos on truth is Stranger Than Fiction for about a year-and-a-half now and just listening to One in January 19 . Appreciate all that you do thankful to know that there is others like me out there and grateful. Guys like you take the time to try and spread the truth Jesus Is Awesome .It’s okay to feel feelings bro… I’d be worried if you didn’t… It’s always darkest before the dawn just remember God loves you and he has an amazing plan for you God bless brother

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