Simply. Epic. 🙂
Not long ago I wrote a post called “Pondering the Six/Solar Question”, where I shared my perplexity with the portion of the Book of Enoch which talks about the “six portals of the sun”. Well, yesterday I listened to this interview with Rob Skiba and Zen Garcia, where they talked in a lot of detail about this very topic. I found it very interesting, and it really makes me want to get my hands on Garcia’s new book “Flat Earth as Key to Decrypt the Book of Enoch”.
Here we take a little trip back to a place where I went many times as a child, and take a fresh look at how now plain it becomes to see that Evolution and “Space” are taught in a cohesive, progressive manner, which makes a great deal of sense from a FE paradigm.
I wind up talking about Evolution and once again how it inevitably puts one on a philosophical trajectory towards Gnosticism, etc…
Recently in a video put out by Kent Hovind, he made a rather flippant comment/question posed to “Flat Earther’s”, regarding how ships supposedly disappear over the horizon, hull first, supposedly proving the curvature of the Earth…
I’m sure he will no doubt be flooded with responses, but here is mine.
(transcript of the video’s narration below, just in case it’s hard to hear some of the recording I guess…)
What do Star Wars, the recent attacks in Paris, and the Flat Earth, all have in common…?
Most people would probably think, not much, but I would actually like to suggest the idea that there is in fact a great deal of commonality amongst all three of these subjects, and I’m going to try and weave them all together by examining a theme which many us are probably already familiar with.
That theme, is the Hegelian Dialectic.
Now, for most people who would consider themselves a part of the “Truth Movement”, or participants in “conspiracy research”, and so on, this is something you are most likely already understand, at least on a certain level.
When looking at things like the New World Order agenda, and the laundry list of False Flag attacks that have increasingly occurred since 9/11, for a lot of people it’s fairly easy to comprehend how we can see this playing out again and again. Create the problem, which stimulates a reaction, then provide the solution. Thesis, antithesis, then synthesis. They instigate the crisis, and then promise to deliver everyone from said artificial crisis, using means and methods which previously there was no political will to support. In the “War on Terror”, we see how again and again the citizenry is manipulated into willingly giving up their personal freedoms in favor of an increasingly invasive surveillance society and militarized police state, because it promises to ensure safety in the face of the suddenly existent “terrorist threat”.
On September 10, 2001, there was absolutely no way the Bush administration could’ve cajoled the American public, and other countries around the world, into invading Afghanistan (and of course, Iraq a little later). By September 12 people were screaming for bombing raids and boots on the ground.
On November 12, 2015, France had little involvement in the hostilities in Syria. By the 14th, they were busily bombing “ISIS targets”…
Okay, so this is nothing new. But what about the Flat Earth? How does the Hegelian dialectic factor in there?
One of the amazing things about the “Flat Earth movement”, is that for so many individuals it is truly working to bring them to a place where they realize that they are NOT simply just a random accident of the Universe, an evolving blob of matter descended from countless others, which billions of years ago all just happened to spring to life from the primordial soup which had puddled together on a chunk of rock that was expelled from the Big Bang. And this is a fantastic, marvelous thing.
However, even when people get to that point of recognizing the lie of Evolution, and opening there hearts and minds to the idea of a “Creator”, the next big question of course has to do with just who/what that Creator actually is, and what do they want…
Was it “God”? Gods? Some advanced ancient alien race? Is the Cosmos itself sentient, i.e. pantheism? And so on.
One of the things which is so intriguing about the Flat Earth movement, and indeed the “Truth movement” in general really, is that there is actually a very strong tide of people coming to a place where they recognize that there just has to be something true in the belief in a spiritual reality. Lots of people who are seeing the evidence for the claims that the Earth has no discernable curvature, and that Heliocentricism is demonstrably false, are understably stopping and taking a second look at the Bible, even if often times they never considered themselves “religious”, because of all the things that it has to say pointing very much to an enclosed, finite cosmology.
But getting excited by the fact that the Bible describes a Flat Earth, and listening to what the Bible also has to say about things like the fallen nature of humanity, the Holiness of God, Christ’s atonement for sin on the cross, the existence of a literal devil, etc., are of course, two very different things…
So, just like with so many other “non-Flat-Earthers”, this “awakening to a greater spiritual reality” essentially leads one to a crossroads. What is the nature of this spiritual reality? What does it mean to “find God”? Or, are we all on our own journey of “finding our own God”? What about all these ancient, mystical traditions and shamanic practices, is there some value to be found in exploring those? And how does such esoteric knowledge which deals with issues like “magic” or “advanced entities” and dimensional transcendence and such relate to the sorts of things we can deduce about what the “NWO Elites” are themselves engaging in…?
And this is where we segway into Star Wars, and the whole cinematic, mythological universe that Lucas and co. created…
Unless you’ve somehow managed to boycott the Star Wars franchise altogether, and avoid watching the original trilogy, you undoubtedly know the scene from The Empire Strikes Back where in the Degobah swamp Yoda explains to Luke what the Force is… (scene here)
Now, the thing is, that this whole explanation of the Force here, is really a nutshell version of the entire belief system which the Bible sometimes refers to as “Mystery Babylon”. This is the core of ALL “mystery traditions”, ancient occultism, shamanic practices, and the modern New Age movement. Biblical prophecy actually says that in the Last Days there would be a renewed surge of interest in this Luciferian philosophy, and we can absolutely see this very thing taking place within the FE movement, the broader “Truth movement”, and yes, even “mainstream society” as a whole. So in that sense, (and I realize this may ruffle some feathers to hear this) it almost doesn’t even matter if a person becomes “awakened” to the reality of the New World Order agenda, or even “enclosed world cosmology”, because in any case we are all still faced with the same over-arching choice between the believing in the spiritual narrative of the Bible (where God sets the boundaries and defines how Deliverance from the Fallen system will ultimately happen) and believing in the alternative, in it’s countless varieties and forms.
You see, throughout the Star Wars films, we are presented with the duality between the forces of tyrannical oppression, military aggression, and ruthless domination. This is all represented by the agenda of the “Empire”.
This is of course contrasted against the forces of the “Rebellion”, the collection of humans and alien races devoted to peace, harmony and galactic cooperation and so on.
Both sides have heroes and villains who have mastered the use of the “Force”, with the Sith Lords serving the evil forces of Empire, and the Jedi knights of course serving the cause of Truth, Justice and Peace.
But the “Force” itself is said to itself be rather unbiased. It can be used for ‘good’, or used for ‘evil’. And this is the trap, this is the spiritual lie. This is the same Hegelian dialectic being embedded into these most popular of films.
Because interestingly enough, Hegel didn’t actually invent the “Hegelian dialectic”. He merely recognized, categorized it, gave it a name. It was really Lucifer, the Fallen angel, who first developed and applied this method of deception, back in the Garden of Eden, in the account found in Genesis 3 where he tempted the first man and woman into eating the forbidden fruit. It was Satan who “created the first artificial problem”, by lying to them about the nature of God, and painting God Himself and the tyrannical, oppressive “Dark Lord”, who was holding Adam and Eve back from “having their eyes opened, so they could be like God…”
It was he who first suckered humanity into believing the lie, because he KNEW that it wouldn’t actually deliver that which he promised, but would instead bring death and seperation from God. It was indeed a “false flag argument”, whereby God was turned into the bad guy, while Lucifer portrayed himself as the “Savior”, who was trying to “free” humanity by showing them the path to enlightenment…
And absolutely, we can hear this very same argument being made to this very day.
Just recently I was listening to an interview with Jeran of “Jeranism”, where he was talking about the Bible as it relates to Flat Earth, (and I’m not picking on him or trying to attack him personally at all) but he was articulating this very same idea, wherein he believed the Bible has some “good stuff” in it, as it pertains to FE, and also certain generic concepts of “love your neighbor as yourself”, and so on, but adamently rejected the whole idea “idly sitting by and just waiting for Jesus to come back and save the world”, instead of getting up and trying to do something about all the problems in the world.
You hear this sort of thing all over the place, in the Truth movement, and again, in society as a whole. And so, while the concept of a “Creator” might be permitted, the question as to how we “approach all that is wrong with the world” is the one that is of the most ultimate significance, even more significance than the question as sweeping and massive as the size/shape of the world in which we live…
Because, really, how much sense does it make, if on the one hand we begin to see the scope of so many of the lies being perpretated upon the world, by this extremely nefarious group of “Elites”, only to turn around and eventually embrace the same ideology, and same spiritual practices, that they have…?
Why do you think that right in front of Rockefeller Center in NY, there is that famous statue of Prometheus, “The Light Bearer”…?
That is a representation of THEIR hope, THEIR “deliverence”. Prometheus is Lucifer! He is the one they believe “stole the fire from heaven”, and graciously shared it with humanity, so we can “save ourselves”… They too hate the idea of a Soveriegn, all-powerful God, who found mankind guilty of sin, and provided a way of Redemption through Jesus’ death on the cross. They too have instead turned to lying and suducing spirits, and their promises of “secret knowledge”, and benevolent gifts of “higher technologies” and the ability to transcend our current human limitations.
And so it is a complete false duality, to entertain this idea of trying to resist the forces of “Empire” by turning to the same spiritual sources and ideologies that they use.
You see, the God of the Bible does not offer us anything akin to the idea of the “Force”, whereby we can hope to master certain metaphysical secrets and become wizards, eventually elevating above the physical plane itself (as we see in Star Wars when “Jedi Masters” become ascended “light beings”…) His Way is completely upside-down from how we typically assume we can and should “fight the powers that be”. Jesus defeated Death, by submitting to it, as a sacrifice on our behalf. HE has the true power. His Holy Spirit is capable of workings and miracles which would shame anything Hollywood could dream up, BUT, it is not something that we can learn to wield like some mystical weapon, not something that “guides our actions, but also obeys our commands”. The Holy Spirit is a PERSON, whom we learn to Trust and submit to, and He leads us through this fallen, rebellious world…
I don’t know how much sense I’m really making here, I could honestly go on and on about this for hours probably, but for some time now, I have been feeling convicted to start speaking out on this issue more, especially as the longer I find myself navigating through this so-called “Flat Earth movement”, and seeing how many people are coming to a place where they are starting to seriously reconsider their opinions on things like astrology, and meditation, and hallucinogenic drugs like ayahuasca and DMT, and the role which various “spiritual entities” might actually be playing in the “Heavens” above our heads, and so on. Again, please know that I am not intending to attack or berate anyone for their current beliefs, but I do hope to do my part to ignite and sustain the conversation on this whole topic of the spiritual realm.
I believe it’s only going to press more and more to forefront as time goes on anyhow, and if you are someone who through looking into the Flat Earth has brought to taking a second look at the Bible, or the Book of Enoch, because of their FE implications, then I’m simply trying to encourage people to continue looking into what these writings have to say about the true nature of this “panorama of conspiracy” as a whole…
I’m hoping that at least a fairly decent translation. I guess I have to trust Google Translate on this one, since my French is WAY rusty since High School. (“Je voudrais aller à la salle de bain..?”)
Anyhow. “Who are the real bastards..?” That’s what I was aiming for. Why? Because everyone by now knows about the Paris attacks. I didn’t write anything about it in the first few days. I almost barely feel like writing anything now. I guess I just don’t quite know what else to say, that hasn’t already been said a zillion times, either by myself or many, many others…
At this point, I guess I’m starting to feel like either you’re gonna see it all for what it is, or you just aren’t, because you simply don’t want to step outside that box which makes it all seem so simple and straightforward.
I was reminded of the “box” on Saturday, when I had to take my car into the mechanic first thing in the morning. My mechanic sees me walk up to the counter in the little office, and asks me, “So did hear the news yet this morning?”
“No”, I reply. “I only saw the coverage last night. Haven’t looked at the news yet today…”
“28 minutes ago ISIS claimed responsibility for the attacks”, he tells me. “Time to go kill every last one of those mother-F’ers, that’s what it is.”
I almost opened my mouth, to say one of a dozen different quips that suddenly sprang to mind, but then thought twice about it, reminding myself that it might not be the wisest thing to speak off the cuff and potentially offend the very individual I am relying on to get my car fixed in a timely and honest manner…
Perhaps, not all that long ago, I would’ve been so infuriated by the perpetuation of such mindless propaganda, such obvious use of the false-flag tactic to incite yet MORE unjustified war-mongering, etc., that I would’ve gladly launched into a debate, regardless of the jeopardy I might be putting my broken vehicle into. But now, fourteen years after 9/11, and the litany of “acts of Terror” which has followed in so many other countries…?
Either you see the script, or you don’t. Call me apathetic, but I don’t think it’s that. It’s just the result of now having seen years of people being goaded and baited into chasing after the created-bad-guy du jour, and it working, over and over again. We like having clearly defined bad guys. We like to think we know and understand who the bastards are, and where they’re hiding, since they clearly deserve a good solid air strike or two (or a hundred).
We like our flags. We like our artificial lines drawn on artificial maps, and we are ever so comforted by continually believing that however crazy things in the world might currently be, it’s still able to explained and understood within the bounds of those artificial lines, be they geopolitical, economic, or whatever else.
But it’s not about that. It’s really not. Not about crazy “blood-thirsty Muslims” trying to create a “Caliphate”. It’s not about Muslims being innocent victims either. It’s not about corporate greed, or Nationalist military expansion, or violent religious fanaticism.
It’s about the ongoing agenda to create the framework for the New World Order.
So you know all about 9/11, Sandy Hook, the Boston Bombing, all the other false flags, the chemtrails, the rfid chips, the NWO, Bilderberg…. You know ALL the “stuff”. You know cuz you’ve researched all the “fringy stuff”, even when all the “sheeple” out there laugh and dismiss it as nonsense.
But you won’t actually research the question of the Flat Earth. In fact, now YOU’RE the one laughing, and mocking, and deriding people for considering such a “ridiculous, crazy thing”.
So listen up….
Anyone who has ever debated Creation vs. Evolution has almost certainly encountered the incredulity of the Evolutionist when it comes to the topic of Noah’s Flood.
While some Evolutionists might concede that perhaps there WAS at some point in the past a very significant flood event, due to the fact that so many ancient writings and oral traditions around the world refer to one, they almost inevitably insist that such an event would have had to have been merely some kind of localized occurrance, regardless of how cataclysmic it may have felt to the people at that time.
Why do Evolutionists have such a difficult time entertaining the possibility of Noah’s flood? When we look at the Biblical text it becomes fairly easy to see. In Genesis 7, starting in verse 11, it reads:
“In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.
On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark. They had with them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock according to their kinds, every creature that moves along the ground according to its kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with wings. Pairs of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and entered the ark. The animals going in were male and female of every living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the Lord shut him in.
For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits. Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.”
Believers in Evolution, and it’s assertions that the Earth took billions of years to form, with various stages and ice ages and such, understandably scoff at the idea that water filled the entire Earth could have been covered with water for a 150 days, especially to the degree that it covered the highest mountains on Earth, surpassing them by 15 cubits (roughly 20 feet).
But if one holds the Bible as the authoritative Word of God, as a reliable and accurate account, then this is precisely what must be upheld if one wishes to hold to a position of literal Biblical interpretation, and not start sliding down the slippery slope of trying to make the text conform itself to our own modern assumptions about what is and isn’t possible.
Now, the reason I bring all this up, is because as I was thinking about this recently, I started to ask myself just how much water that would have actually required, to completely cover the entire Earth, over the tops of the highest mountains…
After a little googling and a little multiplication, this is what I came up with…
According to current models of the alleged Globe, the surface area of the earth is around 510 million square kilometers. Everyone knows that the highest mountain peak on Earth is Mount Everest, and if that is indeed the case, it’s elevation is purported to be 8.848 kilometers above sea level. When we multiply the two, we get the figure of 4,512,480,000 cubic kilometers. That’s how much water it would require to cover the top of Everest, if we are talking about how much water would be needed in ADDITION to the amount of water already present in all the oceans/lakes/rivers in the world today.
Now, I do recognize that this is a crude calculation, because it is not accounting for the amount of dry land that is above sea level, which would be cutting into that amount of required volume, however, it is also not accounting for the fact that in a globe model such a calculation really shouldn’t be made in a way that assumes a rectilinear volume, so in fact, if the Earth WAS a ball, the amount of required water would in fact be MORE than 4 1/2 billion cubic kilometers, (because the surface area of the top of the Flood waters would naturally be greater than the surface area of present day sea level, the required volume increasing the higher in elevation you fill, and so on). That being said, I am basically letting these two factors cancel each other out, since the whole point is really just to get a ball park idea of how much H2O we’d really be talking about anyway…
Because here’s the kicker: according to the USGS, (if we believe their statistics) the TOTAL amount of water, both saltwater and freshwater, in the entire Earth, amounts to somewhere around 1,386,000,000 cubic kilometers…
Now, assuming that the topography of the Earth was generally similar, both before and after the Flood, (and that’s a big assumption, I admit) then the total Flood waters would have been the present-day 1.386 billion cu km, PLUS the 4.5 billion cu km, bringing it to a total of 5.886…
But the bottom line is, if we are talking a different of 4.5 BILLION cubic kilometers of water, from the current amount that is on, above, and below the surface of the entire Earth, then the glaring question arises…
WHERE DID ALL THAT WATER COME FROM, AND WHERE DID IT ALL GO AFTERWARDS….?
I mean, we are talking about a total difference of about 4.2 TIMES the amount of all the water supposedly on the Earth right now. And that, is a lot, of liquid…
For some time, many advocates of Biblical Creationism proposed the so-called “canopy theory” in attempt to explain this. The idea was that the flood waters were being held in a canopy of water vapor above the earth, and so this would have meant there were radically different atmospheric conditions between pre-flood and post-flood eras, as well as giving some effort into explaining the verses in Genesis which speak of the “waters above the Firmament”. However, many Creationist organizations and teachers have been shying away from the Canopy model in recent years, for very understandable reasons. Namely, it just doesn’t give you nearly enough water!
As we have seen, the amount of water required, in LIQUID form, to cover the tops of the highest mountains, is a phenomenal, mind-numbing amount. For that much water to have been up in the atmosphere, is gaseous form, would provide a whole host of other problems to your model. Would sunlight even be able to get through at all? Would it even be able to say in a gas form, if being pushed that far out into the upper edges of the atmosphere, and not turn to ice from the cold? Not only this, but I have even read an article from Answers in Genesis, the renowned Creationist organization, where in explaining why they have moved away from the canopy model, they mention that it also proves problematic, because if the “waters above the firmament” were actually this whole water vapor canopy idea, it would mean that the sun, moon and stars were inside the atmosphere…(!)
Which, of course, I can’t help but see the irony there. Because, truly, when you allow yourself to stop, take a step back, and re-examine the same model of the Earth/Cosmos that was held by the very same individuals who WROTE Genesis and the other books of the Bible, you suddenly no longer have any of these problems, which inevitably arise when trying to conform the Bible, and accounts such as that of the Great Flood, to the heliocentric Copernican model.
Beyond this, even if we were to grant the possibility of the Flood waters coming from a “vapor canopy” above the globe, this STILL wouldn’t explain the simple question as to where all that water went as the Flood waters receded, because even advocates of the Canopy Theory have to concede that the canopy is no longer present. Did all that water, (remember 4.8 billion cu km MORE than the 1.86 we can supposedly account for on the Earth today) somehow seep into the bowels of the spinning globe Earth? To try and argue such a thing would mean having to stand in opposition to the very same geological models of the Earth structure which the Copernican model asserts is established fact. You have to then start assuming the existence of MASSIVE fissures and caverns in the Earth’s oceanic and continental crusts, which overall is another interesting example of the problems which inevitably arise when trying to simultaneously conform the Biblical model to the models provided by modern Scientism, and yet also disregard them, whenever you need to need to force something to fit. How does such an approach know when to accept the official data, and when to dismiss it…?
However… If the Firmament isn’t some confusingly convoluted concept of the sky, and/or the atmosphere and/or “outer space”, but instead some kind of literal dome above our heads, then yeah, the “waters above the Firmament” could be of such a vast quantity that our tiny human brains couldn’t even fathom it. We no longer have to ignore or allegorize verses such as the ones that speak of the “floodgates” or “windows” of heaven, nor the ones that speak of the “fountains of the deep”.
It really is the only way to honestly render a literal interpretation of what Genesis has been plainly saying for thousands of years.
It is not difficult to understand why so many people, even those professing to hold to a literal interpretation of the Bible, would have such a difficult time accepting the idea that the globe model is false. Not only are there the intellectual obstacles of accepting the massive deception required to perpetuate things like the fake moon landings, Mars Rover, ISS, etc., but it would affect so many things which we assume to understand, about not just the “heavens” or outer space, but about our own atmosphere, the subterranean world, and even things as fundamental as the “water cycle”.
1 Praise the Lord from the heavens;
Praise Him in the heights!
2 Praise Him, all His angels;
Praise Him, all His hosts!
3 Praise Him, sun and moon;
Praise Him, all you stars of light!
4 Praise Him, you heavens of heavens,
And you waters above the heavens!
So, if few, less than 1%? of the
globe world population is even AWARE of Flat Earth theory, that was main stream, throughout all cultures’ cosmic belief for over 5,000 years,
….why is Hollywood, Presidents and Sec’y of States speaking about it so often?? hmmm.
(note Obama speech is given at Georgetown U. …a heavy Jesuit enclave where Clinton graduate from and Jesuit John Carrol, the richest man in America in the 1800’s, dedicated all the land that created Wash. D.C.! hmmmm, connection?!?)
‘We now have concrete evidence that the Trans-Pacific Partnership threatens our families, our communities, and our environment.’
By Jon Queally
It’s a disaster for people, the planet, democracy, and the future of the global economy.
That was the immediate assessment of informed critics as world governments, including the United States, on Thursday morning made the full text of the controversial Trans Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP) available to the public for the first time.
Though a tightly held secret throughout the years-long negotiating process, publication of the entire text (available online here) confirms the deal’s many woeful inadequacies which had been gleaned from leaked drafts and public statements by those privy to its contents.
“The TPP is a disaster for jobs, and environment and our democracy. It is the latest stage in the corporate capture of our society,” said Nick Dearden, executive director of Global Justice Now, in response…
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