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“Like A Pavement Made of Sapphire”…

Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up, and they saw the God of Israel. Under his feet there was something like a pavement made of sapphire, clear like the sky itself. (Exodus 24:9,10)

I had someone leave me a comment on YT yesterday, sharing this verse. Yet again, I find myself marveling at how these little “crumbs” are sprinkled all throughout the Bible, and yet we managed to somehow ignore them, or just shrug our shoulders and keep on reading…

I have to admit that I have probably allowed that thing to happen which I was afraid of, that is, let myself get slowly pulled away from writing as I’ve devoted more and more time to making videos and engaging with people over on that whole platform. I am sorry for that, but it’s just kind of been unavoidable I guess. I only have so much time I can devote to “non-nuclear-family stuff”, so somewhere, something has to suffer, now that I’ve launched into the video medium and it really takes SO much more time and energy to make even a simple video than it does to write a blog post.

But… Back to this verse! Is that not fantastic!? Especially when you cross-reference it with what we find in Ezekiel 1:

And the likeness of the firmament upon the heads of the living creature was as the color of the terrible crystal, stretched forth over their heads above. And under the firmament were their wings straight, the one toward the other: every one had two, which covered on this side, and every one had two, which covered on that side, their bodies. And when they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host: when they stood, they let down their wings. And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads, when they stood, and had let down their wings.

And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. (verses 22-26)

And also in Ezekiel 10:

Then I looked, and, behold, in the firmament that was above the head of the cherubims there appeared over them as it were a sapphire stone, as the appearance of the likeness of a throne. (verse 1)

I mean, it’s really there you guys. It’s in the Scriptures… From Genesis on through to Revelation. The Firmament. The “dome”. The “glass ceiling”. Call it what you want.

It’s just kinda funny to me, because I keep getting in these discussions with certain people, who adamantly insist that the Bible absolutely does not describe an enclosed, flat world (as they cling to Isaiah 40:22 with all their might…), and it’s like they just want to be shown some singular “knock out proof text” to point them to an undeniable FE cosmology.

But… It’s just not that easy, unfortunately. Sorry guys. It’s actually more in line with the same way we understand what the Bible says about all kinds of topics, be it the age of the Earth, or the question of “Creationist Evolution”, or the nature of angelic beings, or the atonement of the Cross, or the Judgment on the Last Day, etc. In every case, to get the “fullest picture”, you have to take ALL the pertinent verses which speak towards it, and allow them to cohere together in the way that is most sensible.

And, well… At this point there is simply no WAY I can compile all these various segments which speak about the Firmament, the “sapphire pavement”, the “crystal sea”, etc., etc., and in good conscience cram that back into some kind of convoluted theological interpretation of the heliocentric model. And I really do feel that’s what is being done. There’s no other way to see it now. It’s really no different than when someone tries to make Genesis conform to what modern science claims about the “scientific facts” of Evolution, or how Noah’s Flood couldn’t have possibly covered the entire Earth, etc. To do that you have to mangle the verses so badly, ignore what it says so plainly. You have to be more committed to the “truth” being presented by the atheistic world, than to an honest reading of the text.

There are plenty of people out there willing to do this when it comes to regarding the Bible higher than the false claims of Evolution, but once again I ask (and I will continue to ask…), are you willing to do the same thing with OTHER claims being made by modern “science”?

Are you willing to at least question these things which the Fallen world holds to be oh so irrefutable?

Are you willing to risk looking foolish in the eyes of the World, in order to seek the ‘simple’ wisdom of God…?

Anyhow, I got so busy making and uploading videos recently I never got around to posting the latest ones here. So, here they are. Neither are specifically talking about the Firmament, but, it’s all still related I suppose, in terms of the broader category of FE Cosmology…

My Video on the Flat Earth, the Book of Enoch, the Bible, Prophecy, etc…

So here is the video version of my previous post on The Book of Enoch, Truthers, and Questioning the Globe.

I think it came out okay for the most part, but I was admittedly having issues with the microphone for about the first third of the vid, so hopefully the crackles from that aren’t too distracting. It does get better as it goes along. Also, I apologize if the music is too distracting for some people as well. That tends to be the biggest complaint I’ve had about all my previous videos (“The move is too loud, I can’t hear the narration…”), so, yeah, if that’s the case, I would recommend listening with headphones instead of any laptop or phone speaker. I really do hate the sound of my own voice in the end, and I will be the first to declare that my narrating skills are pretty embarrassing, so, I guess having music in the background helps me feel less “naked” while doing, audio-wise. Anyhow, enjoy.

Portal of Heaven and the Last Days “Endgame”…?

Okay, so fair warning, this post might be a bit of a doozy for a number of readers to digest, but basically in this I am simply going to attempt to lay out a concept/question that I have been “chewing on” for some time now.

ladder2I have already written a few posts about the topic of portals and the possible connection to things like CERN, and as these kinds of ponderings have continued to seemingly flesh themselves out more and more as time has passed, it has brought me to wonder about how it might all connect to what the Bible describes as taking place in the Last Days, particularly in connection to the anti-Christ and the mysterious “abomination that causes desolation”.

When we start looking into the matter of inter-dimensional “portals”, or gateways between the physical spiritual realms, and how there is a lot of evidence to suggest that certain locations on Earth might be understood to be places where the veil is “thinner”, or even “poked through” to some degree, such as speculations about Mt. Graham (as discussed by researchers Cris Putnam and Tom Horn), or many, many other parts of the world, the one that has continually piqued my curiosity is the question of there being some kind of connection to the famous story of “Jacob’s Ladder” in the Bible.

In Genesis 28:10-17 it says, “Jacob left Beersheba and set out for Harran. When he reached a certain place, he stopped for the night because the sun had set. Taking one of the stones there, he put it under his head and lay down to sleep. He had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth, with its top reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. There above it stood the Lord, and he said: “I am the Lord, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac. I will give you and your descendants the land on which you are lying. Your descendants will be like the dust of the earth, and you will spread out to the west and to the east, to the north and to the south. All peoples on earth will be blessed through you and your offspring. I am with you and will watch over you wherever you go, and I will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you.”

When Jacob awoke from his sleep, he thought, “Surely the Lord is in this place, and I was not aware of it.” He was afraid and said, “How awesome is this place! This is none other than the house of God; this is the gate of heaven.”

symbolism_symbolic_jacobs_ladder_william_blake_postcard-rd971d8205eb34ab2a0ab0ac9fc92ee20_vgbaq_8byvr_324Many people have already pointed to this passage as an example of a “portal”, a spiritual gateway, and I think rightly so. From the Biblical description it would seem that it is not just any portal either, but one which actually leads “up” to the very throne of God Himself.

Now… Bear with me for a moment while I jump to another tidbit of information which I came across a little while ago, which very much seemed to correlate to this whole discussion. I was listening to the Conspirinormal podcast a couple months ago, where they interviewed the author Tracy Twyman. Twyman started out as a researcher of secret societies and esoteric “stuff”, who eventually concluded that the common thread of all secret societies was that they were in contact with spiritual entities (a conclusion I would affirm). However, (and sadly, I would opine), she wound up using ouji boards to start contacting entities herself, and contact them she did. Two of the main entities she has interacted with are named “Cain” and “Baphomet” (and from my perspective, you shouldn’t need much more evidence than that alone to see these entities are in fact demonic…) and have relayed a host of information about the “forgotten history” of the world and many other things. The Bible calls this “didache demonoia”. Doctrines of demons. (so for anyone who might be wondering, please know I am not regarding such information as anything but that).

Yet, I must say that I found it quite fascinating to hear what she began to describe at around the 112 minute mark, where she speaks of what Cain, (and even an entity calling itself “Satan”) has to say about the “End of Days”. Essentially, (and I’m paraphrasing here) what they taught her was that the universe (in all of it’s dimensions/realms) is held together by a sort of central “pole”, an “axis”, which functions like a central pillar, keeping the realms separate and more or less holding the “structure” of the cosmos in place. She tells how from what she can gather, the basic goal of these “entities” (i.e. demons, fallen angels…) who are currently imprisoned in the “lower realm”, is to somehow collapse this pillar, and remove the separation between all the realms and actually storm heaven itself, take over the New Jerusalem, and put themselves on the throne.

Now, the reason I found this so telling was that after researching various occult concepts/teachings for several years now, I have to say it actually fits right in with so much of what I have encountered elsewhere, not to mention it actually fits quite nicely with what I find being described in much of Biblical prophecy as well…

Okay, so let’s throw in a third trajectory. The other vein of research which also seems to tie in with all of this is simply the broader question of the New World Order “endgame”. The Bible itself declares that the anti-Christ will crown himself as a “god” before the whole Earth, and set up an “image of the Beast” commanding the whole world to worship it, in the Holy of Holies… This is of course why so many Christians looking into Bible Prophecy are very fixed on the issue of watching to see if/when the Third Temple is finally rebuilt in Jerusalem. Traditionally, Bible prophecy has regarded this event from the perspective of it’s blasphemous characteristics, the idea of doing something profane in the “Holy of Holies” in the temple. More recent speculations have looked into possible connections between the “image of the Beast” and some kind of A.I. entity/creation. (see Gonz’s fantastic documentary Age of Deceit 2: Alchemy and the Rise of the Beast Image)

That being said, the more I have looked into the pieces/trails of all the “tentacles” of the NWO octopus, the more we so much of it pointing back to Luciferian elements operating behind the superficial motivations of political Zionism, and indeed this makes sense, if as the Bible says, the AC ultimately will set up a “throne” in Jerusalem itself and reign from there as the capitol of his unholy global empire. But is that it? Is that as far as Satan wants to go? Simply reigning over humanity and the rest of the Earth, or does he want more…?

Isaiah 14 says of Lucifer, the fallen star…

“How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
You said in your heart,
I will ascend to the heavens;
I will raise my throne
above the stars of God;
I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.
I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
I will make myself like the Most High
.”
But you are brought down to the realm of the dead,
to the depths of the pit.”

So what I am basically wondering about at this stage is this: What if this final “phase” of the Enemy’s agenda involves more than just setting up a physical global empire, more than the idolatrous worship of Lucifer in place of God in a rebuilt earthly temple, and even more than the opening up of a portal(s) between the “underworld” or “bottomless pit”, the “prison cube”, and the realm in which humanity lives. Wouldn’t there also be the attempt to not only stop here, but charge their way into the highest of the heavens, to the very Throne of God, and finish carrying out the “angelic coup” they originally started way back in the early dawn of earth’s history?

Could the abomination of desolation, as described in the Book of Daniel, perhaps be some kind of advanced form of the kind of thing being developed at CERN right now, (part ritual, part technology…), the opening of a spiritual portal which rocks the foundations of the Creation itself, (causing “desolation”…?) which Satan himself, through the figure of his “savior” the AC, opens up in order to try and invade the real Holy of Holies…?

worldtree

This concept of a “world tree”, or “axis mundi”, is one that is absolutely ubiquitous throughout shamanic and esoteric traditions. It is found in ancient religious systems from Asia to the Middle East to early tribal Europe to the Americas. It is a very central theme of Wicca, the New Age movement, and Kabbalah. In short, in every “school” of spiritual learning where people are being taught by the demonic, this concept of a central “tree” or “pillar” or “axis” shows up again and again. It would seem that the fallen entities are in fact quite obsessed with it.

And so, if there was indeed at least some fraction of truth behind this concept (as usually there is within all occult teaching, albeit in a twisted and misrepresented form) then it would actually make a lot of sense as to why Lucifer and his underlings would be so fixated on getting access to it, forcing it open, as if it were akin to the “central elevator shaft” of the entire cosmos. And, if the vision beheld by Jacob really was a glimpse of that “central connector” between the realms, going all the way to the highest Heaven, then maybe, just maybe, this would explain a lot more as to why Satan would be so interested in that tiny sliver of land in the Middle East known as “Israel” for being the seat of his New World Order rule…

The “C – Word”…

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So far I have more or less stayed away from this topic. I used to write about it all the time actually, back before I started learning about the various globalist machinations at work in my country and around the globe. Maybe I just got a little “burned out” on it, or maybe I just figured it was for the most part somewhat of a lost cause, especially once I started appreciating the true magnitude of difficulty inherent to coming to a place where one is finally open to the agendas going on around us which are so very evil. It’s still a fairly challenging issue for me to try and break down to someone, be they a Christian or not, as to why there is so much to be reticent about when it comes to institutional religion. But, since this topic has for whatever reason been coming up lately in several discussions I’ve been having with both devout Christians and devout atheists, I suppose it’s as good a time as any to dive into it with a post of my own…

Instead of beating around the bush I’ll just get right to the point. The vast majority of what is referred to as “church” today, is really a very significant departure from what it meant to the first followers of Jesus in the days of Acts.

Of course, not many people would argue with this in itself, but where the complexities begin to arise is in the question of whether or not all (or even much) that has arisen in the name of “doing church” over the centuries since Jesus walked the earth has been according to a Biblically-defensible guideline, or rather veered quite foolishly from it.

There are a good many rabbit-trails I could go down when considering the whole topic of “ecclesiology”, such as debating matters of hierarchical leadership, or the ways which institutional religious entities become reliant upon the regular financial support of it’s congregants (thus often blurring the lines between “ministry” and business), and I would no doubt have plenty of admittedly controversial opinions about them, but lately I have been finding myself focused on another issue above all these others, when it comes to the question of “church attendance” and being someone who has now spent a good many years living outside the “institutional box” as a Christian.

Imagine for a moment, a group of Christians living in the First Century AD, gathering together in their homes to pray and teach one another, in some city of the Roman Empire. Now, try and imagine that this little congregation, living in the heart of the Roman world, has virtually no comprehension that they are living in a pagan culture, with a pagan, “god-king” for an emperor…(!) Imagine that these people turned to Christ, and then somehow, suddenly believed that everything around them, all the pagan temples and Roman legions and coliseums where the gladiators fought, was all “redeemed” into having some sort of “Judeo-Christian value”.

So far this is the best analogy I’ve been able to come up with to describe how I feel so much of the time, living in a modern-day “Christian nation”, as it alleged by so many to be.

Oddly enough, my hypothetical example of the oblivious first-century “ekklesia” goes from being a bizarre analogy to being an echo of what would eventually transpire, when we step back a little farther and consider how the Roman empire became the “Holy” Roman Empire under Constantine. I’m not going to bother tracing the entire history of the papacy, or the nexus between the church and nations of Europe, or the uncomfortable relationship between European colonialism and Catholic expansion. etc. We all pretty much know how the flow of religious history trickled down to today.

But for me, the question is now just one of measuring the ability by which I might be able to walk into any given institutional Christian church, and just, well, start talking about any of the topics/questions I typically bring up right here on this blog. Right now, I find this to be a very significant measure indeed. Forget all the “typical” questions of whether churches are too “corporate” or not, too “liberal” or not, too “traditional” or not. Can I walk into a church and start talking about false flag terrorism? Would I not be regarded as some kind of quack, as people started wondering who the new guy is who is talking about the globalist agenda of the wars being fought in the Middle East? Could I dare even speculate on things such as George W. and his daddy not actually being Christians at all, but in fact something quite the inverse…? What if I asked people why there is an American Flag standing at the front of the “worship center”, does this mean we are to worship the Flag too?

Perhaps there are some church institutions where such a thing would be tolerated, but not many. Maybe in the context of a “small group”, where it wasn’t being heard in any larger setting, and the appointed leader could try to appropriately “moderate” the conversation, (I always found myself being “moderated” in such a way, even back from BEFORE I learned about all these crazy “conspiratorial” things!)

“But those aren’t appropriate things to discuss in church!” (I imagine a typical response to what I just said might be…) “We come together to worship God, and learn about His Word, not let anyone come in and rant about their hair-brained theories!”

Again, I would refer back to the analogy of the first-century church. Can you imagine these folks getting together and deciding that it was inappropriate to talk about the historical context they were living in? Could they have ignored the magicians and fortune-tellers who filled the marketplaces, or the Roman military campaigns which constantly brought in slaves from newly-acquired sections of the empire? Could they have pretended that there were no demon-possessed people, tormented and talking to themselves in alleyways or the outskirts of town?

Could they have ignored the “spirit of anti-Christ” which was at work in the world around them, driving the bloodlust of martyr-burning emperors such as Nero, or the infiltration of Gnostic false-teaching into the Gospel itself?

I know a good many churches, and pastors, and congregations today, are aware that we are seeing the Signs of the Times, and rapidly approaching the Last Days as prophesied in the Bible. I know a good many of them do believe that the anti-Christ is possibly alive and walking the earth right this minute even. But what I don’t see or hear many of them openly saying, is that our own, “Christian nation”, is very much at the center of bringing this unholy kingdom upon the earth, and has been for some time now. It’s common enough to hear pastors or prophecy teachers talk about the ever-encroaching Muslims, or the “cup of trembling” coming upon Israel, or Ezekiel this and Isaiah that, or decry the woes of Obama socialism, etc. But will they stop and look at what their own “New Atlantis” has all truly contributed towards the construction and propagation of a one-world system? Are they willing to examine the true nature of this economic/military juggernaut with which they have indeed incorporated themselves with by filing as a 501c3 organization?

As such, it is really not all that surprising that within these government-affiliated (and tax-exempt) organizations there isn’t a very open climate to criticizing whatever nefarious aspects of the State, or the global “Super-State” being erected as the sovereignty of our own nation is increasingly left to die like a terminal patient pulled off of life-support. Though these developments might certainly be inevitable, what should not be inevitable is the decision to continue along the path of accepting the carrot-on-a-stick scenario that is the ubiquitous practice of 501c3 affiliation. While it might be true that foregoing this corporate status could make things like buying church buildings or paying pastor’s salaries a lot more difficult, I remain fully convinced by the example of Scripture itself that these things are indeed not nearly as requisite for the Body to gather together and edify each other as we have long been led to believe.

We are not yet in the New Jerusalem. We are in Rome. We are in Babylon. And the time to wake up, and come out, is descending upon us.

Eschatotality…

fathersonspiritLately I’ve been thinking about a matter that seems to occupy my mind on a fairly regular basis. The toughest part is perhaps simply just trying to come up with a term or description of what “it” is in the first place. I don’t know if the made-up term “eschatotality” even makes that much sense, but it’s what I got for now. Anyways, there have been two sources in the last few weeks which really seemed to tie into this concept I’m hoping to elucidate, so I’ll start by touching on them both.

First, a friend wrote a piece about Eschatology. She makes several points which contained a fair amount of uncomfortable truth, such as “In Christianity, some people take their eschatology very seriously, men especially seem to love to ponder these things, partly because of the intellectual exercise and partly because of their heightened desire to do everything they can to try and protect their loved ones”. I know that isn’t designed as a slam, but perhaps it just hits a little close to home in terms of the kinds of things I’ve heard from family and friends at times. Particularly the female types.

I’d be lying if didn’t come clean and admit that yes, men tend to be somewhat more prone to turning eschatology into an intellectual exercise which itself becomes much more a function of pride and distraction that of real practical value. That’s a very real danger, I agree.

But as my understanding has increased over the past few years of both what the scriptures really teach about the Last Days and the broader conflict between the kingdoms of Heaven and hell, and the rather grim historical reality of the world in which we live, I have become increasingly convinced that “eschatology”, the parts of it that truly matter, aren’t really so much about focusing solely on a relatively brief instance of time where the anti-Christ has power over the earth and everything is crazy and bad and scary. It is about so much more than that…

The other thing I encountered recently which acted as a touchstone to this whole question was a podcast by Alan Kurschner. Alan speaks and writes almost exclusively about the “Pre-Wrath” position (as opposed to Pre-Trib), and I find his material pretty interesting and so I’ve been listening to him somewhat regularly. Lately though, he seems more and more caught up in trying to tackle the pre-Trib position head on, and almost sounds a little frustrated by how unyielding and unwilling to engage in debate/conversation most pre-Trib teachers are. I bring this up here because listening to him has really made me think a lot about how the doctrine of the pre-Tribulation rapture, if you really step back and look at it, isn’t something that just stands alone, but is in fact only one piece in a larger theological/cosmological paradigm, and this is why (I would argue) it is so difficult to convince people that it is something they can and should let go of.

I am probably only able to have much of an awareness of this because it essentially outlines the shift in my own view on the Bible, and the world as a whole.

When I myself used to hold to the assumption of pre-Trib truth, as I was taught in church, one of the central underlying components of this belief was that it was the event of the “silent rapture” itself that would provide the necessary global scenario, namely world-wide chaos and panic, that would set the stage for the anti-Christ to suddenly rise to absolute power. I remember reading a book by Dave Hunt when I was a teenager, who very heavily argued for this, and at the time it seemed to make a lot of sense to me. It’s basically the concept put forth by all those infernal “Left Behind” books and movies too. Million of people suddenly “vanish”, and as a result there are countless car crashes, plane wrecks, and overall freaking out because everyone “left behind” is wondering what the heck happened to everyone who suddenly disappeared, yadda yadda yadda…

But this is rather crucial, you see, the notion that the in order for the anti-Christ to arise, there must be this “post rapture chaos”. This perspective basically assumes that up until this moment, the world is really more or less progressing forward on a fairly “upward path”, largely due to the presence and influence of “Judeo-Christian values” and “Western culture” and other such drivel. But see, this is why they believe that when they, the Church, the “Christian influence in the world”, is taken out of the way, that the powers of Darkness will suddenly swoop in to fill the void. It’s really a pretty self-idolatrous approach if you ask me…

Anyhow, this is what I see as being a part of larger rift between the two doctrines. Much more than merely a question of timing, I see it now as being a question of the willingness to acknowledge just how much influence and control the Enemy is able to have, here, now, even while the Church is fully present in the world and in the flow of human history, as has had, ever since the Fall…

You often hear Christians warn or complain about focusing “too much” on the darkness, the deception, the occult. Don’t focus too much on the negative, it only “glorifies Satan”. I find this argument terribly misguided. After all, what if you were taking a course on Medieval history, or any history for that matter, would you say to your professor “Please sir, I’d appreciate it if you didn’t focus so much time and detail on all these horrible wars, and political intrigue, and clashes of kingdoms. I find it all to be terribly ‘negative’…”? No! History is history. Fact is fact. Reality is reality.

And this, I feel, is the real purpose and value of investing time in studying “eschatology”, not because we need to obsess over the minutia of exactly what might transpire within a window of 3 1/2 to 7 years, (thought those conversations are important too, don’t get me wrong!), but it is really about understanding the WHOLE story. Our whole story. The real histories and motivating elements behind our own stories, our lives, our various countries of origin, and yes, the governments and institutions and corporate powers which effect all of us daily. Everything…

I find it telling that you don’t seem to get a lot of resistance or backlash from established Church authorities, if you were to devote much of your life to studying and regurgitating the “official” history of things. The institutional church has really no issue with their congregants attaching themselves to pursuits which affirm the broader institutional paradigm. Be a doctor, a lawyer, a politician even. Join the army, become a general. Teach philosophy at a university like the Christendom’s hero C.S. Lewis. Be a marine biologist. Whatever. Study anything you like, so long as you are not wasting your time studying that which would suggest the ridiculous notion that “Civilization” as a whole is in fact NOT the glorious by-product of our marvelous Christian heritage, but rather the construct of an entourage of fallen angelic beings, led by Lucifer himself, a construct which in fact serves as the mechanism by which he ultimately aims to use in order to establish his fully-realized kingdom on Earth.

Scripture teaches us that our war is not against flesh and blood. The modern, carnal church, however, clings to a largely human-centered and mechanical view of things, and this is a large factor in why the bizarre, unbiblical teachings on a pre-Trib rapture and things like “dispensationalism” and various forms of Christian dominionism were eventually developed. They all, in one way or another, elevate the importance and supposed genius of man, while belittling the significance of the real battle going on in the spiritual realms, and in this one, as it all overlaps. This I believe is why so many people have such a hard time letting their pre-Trib views being challenged. Not because it’s hard to demonstrate it’s inconsistencies with scripture, but because to question it is to really start questioning their broader view of history and the world as a whole. The “matrix”, if you will.

Whether or not the world as we know it ends tomorrow, or many generations after I’m gone, it really doesn’t matter. The fact remains that having an unfiltered and adequate understanding of the world in which we all live is not folly, obsession, or mere intellectual sport. Indeed it is really the only true reason to study or seek truth at all…

Examining the Eschatological Concept of “Sheep and Goat Nations”…

sheepgoatworldmapFirst I want to say that I think Dan Duval is cool guy. I first came across him over a year ago now as my podcast-addict tendencies brought me to his original online radio show called “Discovering the Truth with Dan Duval“. He talks about a lot of things, almost all of which I have found absolutely fascinating and very much in line with a lot of the topics/perspectives I have come to spend a lot of time investigating in the realm of “eschatology”, such as Genesis 6/Nephilim, mind control programming, the New World Order, spiritual realms/dimensions, water spirits and so on. His interview of former “Illumined One” Carol Hamlett is still one of my all-time favorite interviews/testimonies. Ever. It’s hard to listen to Dan Duval and not find yourself getting pumped up about Bible Prophecy. He has a gift for speaking and exhortation for sure.

One of the things I’ve heard him speak about which grabbed my attention from the beginning was the mention of this idea of “Sheep Nations”, although until quite recently I never was able to get a very clear grasp of just what it was all about. He’s written a book called “Kingdom Government and the Promise of Sheep Nations“, and after meeting guys like Basil and Gonz at a recent prophecy forum conference, has just been a guest on both Canary Cry Radio and Derek Gilbert’s “View from the Bunker” podcasts (both of which I listen to pretty regularly). This interview with Derek I found especially helpful in expounding upon what Dan is putting forth in his “Sheep Nations” teaching, (the Canary Cry interview is also great, but covered more of a variety of topics) and since it’s been something I’ve been meaning to look into myself for sometime now, it really helped push me to examine it closer. This is what I have basically found…

The eschatological teaching of “Sheep Nations” is for the most part based upon a specific interpretation of Jesus’s words in Matthew 25:31-46. Verses 32/33 say: “All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.   He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left”, and so the claim is that because it says “all the nations will be gathered”, this means that it is actually the nations that will in fact be judged at this time, as some form of collective national or ethnic groupings, and not individuals being judged in the context of personal Salvation. Duval makes the statement that nowhere in this section does Jesus use the term “Salvation by grace through faith”, so this must mean that Jesus isn’t referring to Salvation at all, but in fact a totally different instance/type of future judgment. Hearing this particular interpretation of Matthew 25 was what first raised some serious red flags for me about this Sheep Nation thing…

The claim made by Duval, and other proponents of this teaching I found online, is that what Jesus is describing is not a judgment of faith, but of works, so then what they conclude is that the people being judged as the “Sheep” in verses 34-40 are actually nations who “fed/clothed/served Jesus” by physically showing compassion and giving aid to true Christians during the Tribulation, while not actually being Christians themselves. I find this whole idea so problematic it’s almost hard to know where to even begin!

First of all, the assertion that Jesus is describing a “works based judgment” and not judging based on faith, is first and foremost a false conclusion, and when you clear this away the rest of the argument really has nothing left to stand on anyway. Just because Jesus doesn’t use the term “grace through faith” doesn’t mean He isn’t still speaking to it, since we could probably look through the entirety of all four gospels and never see that actual phrase used by Christ ever. Does that mean that Jesus never taught such a thing, and that Paul only came up with it later? Of course not. You could use this type of reasoning and use it go back through everything Jesus said and twist it around to make everything a proclamation of a “works-based gospel”, but that would be totally inaccurate. What about the verses in James which talk about how faith without deeds is dead..?

In this interpretation, it is claimed that the “Sheep Nations” are not being judged in regard to Salvation, and thus are not actually being sentenced to heaven or hell, but their reward is to actually be able to go on as the living, reproducing mortal “citizens” of the Millennial reign of Christ which follows. Now, this is where the internal contradictions really start to become even more obvious, because to the alleged “Sheep nations” Jesus says, “Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world”, and to the “Goat Nations” he says, “Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels”. The claim is that these judgments are not “salvific” or eternal in nature, but how could you seriously try and defend such a thing? So, the “Kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world” is a “citizenship” in the Millennial reign of Christ for people who aren’t actually Saved…? And conversely, you would have to then logically assume that the people in the “goat nations” (who apparently are judged so because they didn’t feed/clothe/shelter Christians in the Tribulation) would be punished by not being “citizens” in the millennial kingdom, but have to be “outside” of it as mortals, except, they’re punished to eternal fires of hell…(!?)

This is really bizarre and self-contradictory, and ultimately is further proved to be incompatible with Jesus intended meaning when we read the last verse of the chapter, which simply and clearly says, “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” Boom. There it is. If the righteous are going on to “eternal life”, then you can’t try and say that the “righteous” in this instance are merely going on to mortal life as “citizens” in the earthly, Millennial reign of Christ, who can still die, and even eventually go on to follow Satan in his one last rebellion against Jesus in the Gog/Magog war at the end of the thousand years, and then get to hell with him. That’s really quite the exact opposite of “eternal life”!

But the Gog/Magog thing is really very much to the whole point, and after hearing Duval speak about this, the underlying motivations for holding to such a bizarre interpretation of Matthew 25 finally started to come into better focus. For the longest time, I really couldn’t figure it out. When I started looking into the origins of this “Sheep Nations” teaching, it seems to have been originated from 18th century Calvinist theologian John Gill, though it could have merely been popularized by him. In any case, the concept of sheep nations historically does seem to be an idea which lends itself to dispensationalism, premillennialism, and a pre-trib perspective on prophecy.

The Scofield reference Bible, the veritable primogenitor of Dispensationalism overall, says about Matthew 25, “This judgment is to be distinguished from the great white throne. Here there is no resurrection; the persons judged are living nations; no books are opened; three classes are present, sheep, goats, and brethren; the time is at the return of Christ; and the scene is on the earth. All these particulars are in contrast with Revelation 20:11-15.”

Now, this is where it gets really interesting, because Duval, (like myself) is actually solidly pre-Wrath, believing that the Church in it’s entirety (not just some handful of “left behind saints”) will experience persecution by the anti-Christ during the Tribulation, so in many ways, he is applying the sheep nation idea in what appears to be a newly adapted way. But, as was now made quite clear to me by listening to the interview with Derek Gilbert, Duval, despite being pre-wrath, is still very much locked into a Dispensational framework, and almost alarmingly so. At one point he actually says, “In the Old Testament days, salvation was through the Law, and then from the cross onward, it was through grace.” (paraphrasing) WHOA THERE! Not so fast… I actually yelled out so loud that people in the other room could here me when I listened to that. That is a serious misunderstanding, and really goes to show what is at the heart of Dispensationalism, and how it can actually work as a type of theological building block on top which all kinds of other false ideas can be placed.

Allegations of parallels with Dominionism have not surprisingly arisen, and have been summarily dismissed by Duval in several interviews, since to be fair, what he is describing can truly be said to be distinct from Dominionist theology, in the sense that it is not calling for a total conquest of the entire world by the Church in order to usher in Christ’s return. However… I would have to challenge anyone to explain to me how it couldn’t still be regarded as being akin to some type of “limited” or “partial Dominionism”, because, okay, even if you aren’t trying to infiltrate the “7 pillars of influence” in every country on Earth, aren’t you still basically talking about seeing the same happen on an individual nationalistic or ethnic basis…? Duval speaks of a “Goshen principle”, referring to how when the Israelites were in Egypt as it suffered the plagues, God spared them from his judgments upon Pharaoh, as if this demonstrates a convincing analogy of how God would then of course have to use individual nations, or people groups, or something, in order to take care of all the running, persecuted Christians in the Tribulation. Unfortunately, that analogy doesn’t work at all, because Goshen wasn’t actually a people group or city whose inhabitants protected the Israelites, it was simply the name of the “neighborhood” as it were where the Israelites lived in Egypt! It WAS in fact God’s pure, miraculous intervention which kept them safe from the boils, the darkness, the frogs, the bloody water, etc., safe from the angel who took the first born of the households without the blood on the doorpost… So instead of bolstering the argument that Christians in the End Times couldn’t survive the anti-Christ by pure Heavenly intervention, but would need some kind of earthly assistance (and this is really one of the core elements of his whole premise) I’d say it actually quite plainly refutes it.

I hope that most Christians wouldn’t need to have it spelled out for them why the concept of “Sheep and Goat nations” itself should be instantly recognized as dangerous, simply because of how such a thing can so easily and almost inevitably slide into the promotion of very unhealthy and extreme Nationalistic thinking. Unfortunately, in a country like the United States, merging zealous nationalism and pseudo-Christianity is pretty much the dominant religious reality, and so it really comes as no surprise to see that the teaching of “Sheep Nations” is commonly associated not only with Dispensationalism, but also closely with Christian Zionism

Jesus said “My Kingdom is not of this world”, but when you start trying to insert a concept like “sheep nations”, in which entire countries/ethnicities are somehow judged en masse, NOT according to faith but somehow by their collective works towards those who DO have faith, then I would argue that whether you realize it or not, you’re actually opening quite a nasty little Pandora’s box, where realistically, Christians are given a dualistic lens through which they are able to regard the world, in a manner that the Bible simply does not. I could probably write another post just as long as this one simply speculating on all the various ways this kind of teaching could be exploited by the Enemy towards deceiving the Faithful into putting their trust worldly governments, systems and people instead of God Himself, being falsely secure in the thought that they have managed to be part of a “sheep nation”, whether that was an entire nation/state somewhere, or just some small hidden enclave somewhere, some little “independent community” of people trying to hide and/or resist the anti-Christ’s New World Order.

Overall, I think the main point is that when you look at all the prophecy in scripture regarding the Last Days, in reality there is actually only a very tiny portion of it devoted to millennium whatsoever, and where it does mention it, there is nothing said which should compel us to feel the need to speculate on it’s nature to the degree that we start developing contrived eschatological theories about them which even run the risk of being contrary to the heart of the Gospel itself, simply to make something like the Millennium “make sense” in our own minds right now, especially from a skewed Dispensationalist mindset. The Bible doesn’t seem too concerned with us figuring out how the Millennium is going to “work”, or being able to identify who the people are who will be deceived by Satan on final time when he’s released from his prison after the thousand years is ended. In the chapter before Matthew 25, Jesus warns very explicitly about not being deceived in the time before His coming. I believe God absolutely CAN take care of His people, His bride, in the midst of any and all persecution, troubling times, chaotic natural disasters, etc., without relying whatsoever on human institutions, resources, or ingenuity.

After all, we remember that He took care of roughly a million people, for forty years in a barren DESERT, feeding them with food that came straight out of the SKY, and water that flowed straight out of a rock….

Walter Veith: The Secret Behind Secret Societies…

This guys is apparently a pretty prominent dude in the SDA church, but this presentation actually contains a lot of really solid info, and I really liked the way he puts it all together. The task of creating any synopsis of the broader New World Order/masonic/Luciferian system is no small feat, and each one has it’s strengths and weaknesses. This one actually touched upon several connections that were new to me, I recommend it to anyone, whether you’re brand new to learning about the NWO, or have known about it for some time…