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My Video on the Flat Earth, the Book of Enoch, the Bible, Prophecy, etc…

So here is the video version of my previous post on The Book of Enoch, Truthers, and Questioning the Globe.

I think it came out okay for the most part, but I was admittedly having issues with the microphone for about the first third of the vid, so hopefully the crackles from that aren’t too distracting. It does get better as it goes along. Also, I apologize if the music is too distracting for some people as well. That tends to be the biggest complaint I’ve had about all my previous videos (“The move is too loud, I can’t hear the narration…”), so, yeah, if that’s the case, I would recommend listening with headphones instead of any laptop or phone speaker. I really do hate the sound of my own voice in the end, and I will be the first to declare that my narrating skills are pretty embarrassing, so, I guess having music in the background helps me feel less “naked” while doing, audio-wise. Anyhow, enjoy.

on The Book of Enoch, Truthers, and Daring to Question the Globe…

(the following is what I am hoping will serve as an adequate transcript for a I video I hope to complete and upload by sometime next week. Figured I’d go ahead and throw the textual content of it up here)

The Book of Enoch…

bookenochFor centuries it was all but forgotten, abandoned by the majority of both Catholic and Protestant scholars as a bizarre relic, of a more superstitious and mythological age.

In recent years however, there has been a resurgence in the interest with this ancient writing. Large portions of it were discovered amongst the collections of the Dead Sea Scrolls in the famous Caves at Qumran. Many people who believe that the eschatological prophecies of the Bible are increasingly beginning to be fulfilled in our time, have also concluded that there is a great deal of relevance to be found in the book of Enoch, towards the events we see unfolding. Indeed, the ancient mystery schools, which are the occultic heritage of the modern day Luciferian, New World Order agenda, could be said to trace their origins all the way back to the days before the Flood, when the 200 Watcher angels, prompted by Azazel, or Satan, abandoned their heavenly posts and came down to Earth, taking human women as their wives, who bore to them hybrid offspring, giants, called the Nephilim, who ravaged the Earth until almost all of Creation was corrupted.

nephilim2Students of prophecy today can look at these events in our distant past, and conclude that it might very well bode as a warning for what kinds of genetic abominations might be incorporated into the anti-christ’s One World Kingdom, which is right now being rapidly put into place. Many teachers such as Chuck Missler, Tom Horn, Doug Hamp and others, have helped reintroduce the book of Enoch, pointing out things such as the insufficiency and contradictory nature of the “Sethite theory”, (commonly used for generations to explain away the passages in Genesis 6 which speak about the Nephilim), and how books in the New Testament refer to it as well, the book of Jude quoting from Enoch directly, and calling it “prophecy”. Indeed, the topic of Enoch, the Nephilim and how the fallen Watchers taught mankind all sorts of wicked knowledge, such as sorcery and astrology and warfare and seduction, is a far more widely accepted idea than it was even just ten years ago. Secular tv shows such as “ancient aliens” have even helped bring awareness of the book’s existence to the mainstream…

Enter the Flat Earth…

As most of you know, in the past six months or so, the internet has seen an sudden and unexpected exponential rise in the discussion surrounding the question of the true nature of the Earth itself, as well our universe as a whole. Bolstered by years of questionable NASA footage, an increasing awareness of how much the government and it’s various agencies lie to the public about all manner of things, and the realization that there are people behind the scenes manipulating virtually every aspect of what we are told is reality, this really shouldn’t be all that surprising.

Just a few months ago, I would’ve scoffed at the idea of a Flat Earth just as heartily as anyone else. About a year prior to that, I would’ve still been rolling my eyes at the suggestion that the Apollo missions didn’t actually make it to the moon’s surface. Rewind five years before that, and I was still unable to conceive of the notion that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by elements within the American government itself.

In each case, my initial disbelief was confronted by some new piece of data which could not be made to conform to the official narrative. The intrusion of new data would refuse to go away, and agitate my thoughts like a burr under a saddle, prompting deeper investigation, until the questions grew into skepticism, and then skepticism grew towards finally having to question, and perhaps rethink, a framework of beliefs which I had held for a very, very long time.

So, this is what strikes me as particularly interesting, and rather odd actually, in terms of this current debate going on within the quote “Truth movement” around the flat Earth. Especially in terms of so many of my fellow Christians, who on the one hand have for YEARS been talking about the Book of Enoch, and Genesis 6 and the Nephilim and so on, but now when it comes to this Flat Earth issue, I find it ironic that so many of them appear all too ready to just write it off as a “distraction” or a “psy-op” or whatever else, and get in line with the scoffers before really doing much in-depth investigation on their own, (Rob Skiba excluded!)

ane-cosmography-simpleThe reason I find it so ironic, is that if you really take a look at all that the Book of Enoch talks about, you will quickly see that it speaks about far more than just the Watchers coming down and creating the Nephilim. The majority of the Book actually deals with how Enoch is basically taken and given a tour of the entire Cosmos by a heavenly angel, and it is quite hard to deny the degree to which his descriptions fall right in line with the basic ancient Hebrew model of the Flat Earth. Enoch describes the Earth having distinct edges, there are “portals” and “gates” at each of the four cardinal directions. There are “storehouses” for certain elements such as the winds, the lightning and thunder, and the frost. It speaks about the four corners, about the four pillars, and a great deal about the firmament as well, above which is the very throne room of God, just as the typical ancient cosmology reflects. There are literal, cave-like pits under the Earth, a literal Sheol, as well as another place, a dry, desert-like place of chaos, which has no water either above or below it. An “outer darkness”, where certain angels and spirits are held imprisoned until the Day of Judgement.zodpic

Now, beyond all of this, Enoch speaks a great deal of not only the basic idea of the Earth being a plane, covered by the firmament, with water both above and below, etc., but also about how there are all these various orders of angelic beings, who have been assigned different jobs basically, in accordance with the different physical elements of the Earth, sky, heavens, and so on. In this “Enochian cosmology”, the Creation is not merely material and mechanical, but rather vastly multi-dimensional and involving the routine participation of immortal, sentient beings in the daily function of all that is going on around us. The sun and moon and stars are all shown to be intentioned by God to follow their assigned circuits, as the spirits assigned to these duties fulfill them. The “Luminaries” are said to even have dwellings or abodes within the heavens, as though they have actual doors in the firmament which lead to their own little angelic apartments! In the context of all of this, I find it most interesting then to consider the idea of the “Fallen Stars”, the fallen Watcher angels, juxtaposed against the idea of the “wandering stars”, those bodies today we call the planets, envisioning them to be other spherical planetoids, millions of miles away, orbiting the sun. But are we sure that’s really what they actually are? Do we even have a single photograph of a planet, which hasn’t actually been a “composite” or just an outright painting or CGI rendering…?

Anyhow, the fundamental question regarding all this extremely mythological stuff from the book of Enoch which speaks of luminaries and firmaments and such, is ultimately; “Is this ‘Enochian Cosmology’ really just a more detailed examination of what already can be found in the Biblical description?”

flatmapI find it to be quite parallel to the same sort of question that is so often asked when dealing with Enoch in the context of the Nephilim question. Does the Bible actually already teach this basic idea that “the Sons of God” had offspring with the “daughters of men”? Like I said, more and more people are beginning to agree that in fact it does, and amazingly, by doing so are then realizing that by letting this piece back into the Biblical puzzle, it actually helps to explain a LOT about other parts of the Bible which were previously rather confusing as well, such as the matter of why God commanded the Israelites to wipe out certain tribes entirely from Canaan, or why Paul makes that bizarre comment about women covering their heads “because of the angels”, or why demons freak out when Jesus threatens to cast them into the Abyss, and so on.

So, when we look seriously at that question, when we start to take a fresh look at the traditional canonical scriptures, suspending for a moment all of our modern assumptions about how it does actually describe a globe Earth, then what do we really start to find…?

I honestly can’t tell anyone what to think, because I do believe that this is one of those issues which really is first dependent on one’s own predetermined level of openness. It is really pointless to try and force someone to question something which they are internally quite unprepared to question. All I can really speak for is myself, and to the fact that when I actually began to start taking a new look at the Bible, to see if it really could be said to describe not just a globe but a vast, expansive, Copernican-esque universe, or, instead something which more closely resembles the “dome idea”, well, I was pretty amazed at what I very quickly began to see.

Right off the bat, you can start there in Genesis 1, where it says God hovered over the “waters”. What waters? Water, before an Earth? Weird… And then, right there, he separates the waters, and makes the “sky”. Right there, in the first chapter of the first book of the Bible, it’s talking about the firmament… The earth is created before even the sun, moon and stars. Light was created and separated from darkness, before God created any of the light sources. (again, weird…) And on it goes from there. You go through books like Psalms, or the prophets, and see it talking about the corners of the earth, the earth being fixed and unmovable, the sky being stretched out like a tent. You get to the book of Job, and the last few chapters are intensively descriptive of a dynamic, Enochian flat Earth model. It even mentions “Leviathan”, the massive sea creature, which lurks in the water depths surrounding the Earth’s foundations. In Job, God talks about it like a literal creature.

There is so much to reconsider from this alternate vantage point. The ascension of Jesus, as well as His triumphant return, where the Bible says everyone on the Earth will see Him in His glory… (kind of hard to imagine how that works on a ball Earth..) I think about the Tower of Babel, I re-evaluate things like “Jacob’s Ladder”. The “Star of Bethlehem”, suddenly seems to make a lot more sense within this Cosmology as well. Then you get to Revelation, and again, the direct connection between angels and stars is virtually undeniable. How do entire stars fall to Earth, if they are millions of miles away, comprised of massive nuclear explosions many times larger than Earth? How do such falling stars have names, and personification? How DOES the sky actually get “rolled up like a scroll”…? There are so many verses, so many descriptions, which start to take on new life, and make a lot more sense, when we allow ourselves to consider them through a paradigm that is yes, rejected and ridiculed by mainstream scientific institutions. (the same institutions, remember, which also scoff at anyone who doesn’t accept that we are all evolved hairless apes, and that everything in the Universe essentially created itself out of one single point of infinitely compressed matter, billions of years ago…)

1120HOLDING20BACK20THE20FOUR20WINDSSo… The question I would end with is for my fellow Christian brothers and sisters, my fellow students of Biblical prophecy, and particularly, my fellow adherents of the “Genesis 6 paradigm”, who are so fond of talking about Matthew 24 and how “as in the days of Noah, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be”, and pointing to the Book of Enoch as an authentic, “Biblically-endorsed” work that people should take seriously, because of all the End Times ramifications and implications involving things like transhumanism and alien deceptions and everything else, is this: HOW does one pick and choose which portions of I Enoch to take seriously? How can the Nephilim idea be emphasized so heavily and so routinely, even though that in itself is largely rejected and ridiculed, both by mainstream Christianity and the secular world, while the BULK of the content in that Book which would lend great weight to the argument for investigating much further the possibility that the Earth might INDEED be flat, and might very well have a dome-like firmament, and the sun, moon and start might be very, very close, is summarily rejected?

Just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. I don’t get how “Truthers”, whether Christian or non, for that matter, can make these kinds of statements about how the Flat Earth issue could “destroy the credibility of the Truth movement” and so on.. Am I confused, or isn’t the solitary objective of the “Truth Movement” supposed to be the unhindered, unapologetic quest to seek the TRUTH, no matter how laughable or counter-cultural or “conspiratorially wacky” it might seem to the mass majority?

Isn’t the idea supposed to be that there are no “stupid questions”, only stupid assumptions? And I find this PARTICULARLY weird when it comes to my fellow “Christian Truthers”! I mean, really!? You’re worried about appearing “credible”, or not looking like a crazy person, when you’re already talking about UFO’s being demonic and Nephilim hybrids and CERN being some kind of interdimensional portal that might open the Abyss in Revelation, and so on???? That ship of “perceived credibility” has sailed my friends. It was gone from the mainstream world when you started questioning things like the official narrative of 9/11, and it was even gone from the secular “Truthers” when you started talking about the Bible being true, and Jesus dying for our sins, and the Book of Revelation being something that is being fulfilled, right now, before our very eyes.

I honestly don’t care anymore about being viewed as “crazy” by other people. I am not afraid to ask questions that most people would find insufferable, or to entertain notions of conspiracies and cover-ups that most people would reject outright, simply because they cannot allow themselves to imagine that so many millions of people could all be fooled in such a way. But I know we’ve all been fooled, in all kinds of ways, and I myself have been no exception. I’ve had to cross that bridge of paradigm-reconstruction many times now, and I actually find it much less painful of a process nowadays than I used to.

I find it quite amazing, really, that so many people who are seriously questioning the globe model, and researching the possibility of the Earth being a plane, doing experiments with curvature and re-examining all the things we have been taught as unquestionable fact since we started kindergarten, so many of these folks, are not Christians, but atheists, agnostics, or people with all kinds of different “spiritualistic” beliefs. You’ve got people believing that our world is just one “puddle”, and that it sits on an infinite plane, a sheet of ice, riddled with an infinite number of other “puddle systems”, or other people who basically look at the Earth and the sky and the heavenly bodies as a huge collection of holograms and mechanistic fakery, the “Dark City” concept, and all sorts of other interesting theories about what the World is truly like.

So it’s quite odd to me, that for people who claim to believe in the Bible and take it as literal Truth, that we would find such questioning to be at all threatening, when we ALREADY believe in the realm of the Supernatural, in the existence of an Eternity beyond our temporal existence, in angels and demons and spiritual warfare between the two… Does the shape of the Earth threaten to change any of that? Has anyone started out questioning the globe, and by doing so eventually found themselves rejecting the Gospel, or abandoning the cross, because they couldn’t find proof that the Earth is really curved…?

Grey_Alien4I haven’t heard a single testimony of that kind as of yet, but I sure have encountered a lot of people who have wound up rejecting the Bible, and the Creator, in favor of the established “scientific fact” of an infinite, evolving Universe…. I know many people today, who bristle at the idea of an all-powerful God, with His oppressive morality, and instead prefer the prospect of there being “millions of other worlds out there”, potentially filled with an endless array of other intelligent species and “fellow travelers in the Evolutionary journey”. The “Star Trek Gospel” is a very real thing in our time, and more and more people are gravitating towards putting their hope in the possibility of having our “big brothers from Space” come along, and give us a little Evolutionary boost in our advancement towards godhood.

So that’s my rant. You can decide for yourself, if the “crazy” idea of a geocentric, angelically administrated Cosmos, where humanity is truly the focal point of Creation, and deemed worthy of being redeemed by Christ’s sacrifice, is something that fits within the description of Enoch, and most importantly the rest of the Bible. But to be able to make that decision, you have to be courageous enough to actually look. You have to be brave enough to ask those crazy questions for yourself…

The Four-Cornered Earth…?

“And He will lift up a standard for the nations And assemble the banished ones of Israel, And will gather the dispersed of Judah From the four corners of the earth.” Isaiah 11:12

One of the most interesting aspects of considering the staggering possibility of the Earth truly being a flat plane, is the notion that is that the “ends of the Earth” is no longer simply just some kind of figurative expression, but could in fact could be a simple literal truth. Along with this idea comes the proposition of the “four cardinal points” being four literal, equidistant terminal locations, as well as these four corners/points being connected to the four winds, and four angels.

“Then He said to me, ‘Prophesy to the breath, prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, “Thus says the Lord GOD: ‘Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they may live.’” – Ezekiel 37:9

“And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”- Matthew 24:31

Revelation 7:1
After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.

Revelation 20:8
and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore.

Marble_Mosaic_Wind_Rose_with_cardinal_points.jpg_220x220The verse from Revelation 7 I find particularly interesting, because of the fact that it describes the four angels in conjunction with the four corners, holding back the four winds, which is a rather bizarre thing indeed to try and imagine just what that means, or how that would really look/work, if the Earth was a globe. If the four corners are simply metaphorical (since a ball has no literal corners) then are the angels simply metaphorical too…? Bit of a slippery slope there, if you ask me. Biblical scholars go to extreme lengths in order to explain how the four corners is not literal, and just means the “extreme ends of the Earth”. But if you think about it, on a Globe Earth, you don’t even have “extreme ends”. You have nothing from which to objectively call anything an “extremity”, aside from cultural notions of one’s particular region being towards the “center” (i.e. the Roman Empire, the Middle East, whatever…)

Now… Much like the very interesting parallels between the thematic content of Jude and Peter in relation to the book of Enoch, there are some incredibly noteworthy connections to be found between Revelation and Enoch as well, when it comes to the idea of corners, angels, and winds…

“I then surveyed the receptacles of all the winds, perceiving that they contributed to adorn the whole creation, and to preserve the foundation of the earth. I surveyed the stone which supports the corners of the earth. I also beheld the four winds, which bear up the earth, and the firmament of heaven. And I beheld the winds occupying the exalted sky. Arising in the midst of heaven and of earth, and constituting the pillars of heaven. I saw the inds which turn the sky, which cause the orb of the sun and of all the stars to set; and over the earth I saw the winds which support the clouds. I saw the path of the angels.” Enoch 18:1-7

“And at the extremities of the earth I beheld twelve gates open for all the winds, from which they proceed and blow over the earth. Three of them are open in the front of heaven, three in the west, three on the right side of heaven, and three on the left. The first three are those which are towards the east, three are towards the north, three behind those which are upon the left, towards the south, and three on the west. From four of them proceed winds of blessing, and of health; and from eight proceed winds of punishment; when they are sent to destroy the earth, and the heaven above it, all its inhabitants, and all which are in the waters, or on dry land.” Book of Enoch, chapter 75:1-3

“The first wind is called the eastern, because it is the first. The second is called the south, because the Most High there descends, and frequently there descends he who is blessed for ever. The western wind has the name of diminution, because there all the luminaries of heaven are diminished, and descend. The fourth wind, which is named the north, is divided into three parts; one of which is for the habitation of man; another for seas of water, with valleys, woods, rivers, shady places, and snow; and the third part contains paradise.” Enoch, chapter 76:1-4

The more I look into this topic of “Enochian cosmology”, the more pressed I feel towards the ultimate question of “Is Enochian cosmology really just Biblical cosmology, which has not been hammered into conforming to an assortment of materialistic, heliocentric concepts which have bombarded Biblical scholars for centuries, all of which culminates in the post-modern, completely allegorized form of Biblical interpretation that is so prevalent today?” I think more and more I am becoming convinced that the answer is a simple yes.

Pencil drawing of a slightly abstracted depiction of the flat earth, within the Firmament, surrounded by
Pencil drawing I made of a slightly abstracted depiction of the flat earth, within the Firmament, surrounded by “the waters” above and below, and pondering the existence of corners, portals, winds, cardinal points existing somehow, in a quite literal sense…

For some more interesting reading on this topic, check out this article: A Study of the Four Holy Watchers Appointed Over the Four Corners and Winds of the Earth by author Helena Lehman.

The “Barren Land”…

“When the unclean spirit has gone out of a person, it passes through waterless places* seeking rest, and finding none it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’” Luke 11:24 (*sometimes translated “arid places“)

“…But the rebellious dwell in a dry land.” Psalm 68:6

“And in the columns of heaven I beheld fires, which descended without number, but neither on high, nor into the deep. Over these fountains also I perceived a place which had neither the firmament of heaven above it, nor the solid ground underneath it; neither was there water above it; nor anything on wing; but the spot was desolate.
And there I beheld seven stars, like great blazing mountains, and like spirits entreating me. Then the angel said, This place, until the consummation of heaven and earth, will be the prison of the stars, and the host of heaven. The stars which roll over fire are those which transgressed the commandment of God before their time arrived; for they came not in their proper season. Therefore was He offended with them, and bound them, until the period of the consummation of their crimes in the secret year.” 1 Enoch 18:13-16

(another version says ” And beyond that abyss I saw a place which had no firmament of the heaven above, and no firmly founded earth beneath it: there was no water upon it, and no birds, but it was a waste and horrible place.”)

I have for a while now been a fan of Round Saturn’s Eye and his videos, (and continue to be, finding validity in both his personal testimony and confession of the Gospel), and there is one theme that pops up very frequently in his material, which just recently became a lot more clear to me.

He is constantly mentioning this idea/imagery of the “barren land“. He talks about it again and again and again and again, often times when breaking down the embedded symbolism in some commercial or movie or Olympic ceremony, or whatever, whenever some kind of desert-looking, salt-flats type of scenery is being shown. And it’s amazing how often this occurs, these shots of very Luciferian and nephilim related themes, constantly being filmed with a backdrop of this barren, desert landscape. And after a while, I was really starting to wonder, what is the deal with this “barren land” stuff, what is that supposed to symbolize?

Well recently when I was reading back through the chapters of 1 Enoch, (in the interest of seeing more of what it has to say regarding flat Earth ideas or “Enochian cosmology” etc.), I was reading that portion in the 18th chapter, where it is talking about when Enoch is being shown the place where the fallen Watchers are to be imprisoned until the Day of Judgement (“until the period of the consummation of their crimes in the secret year…”)

Suddenly the light bulb clicked on. I immediately thought of that verse where Jesus casts the evil spirit out of the mute man, and then uses the parable of tying up a strong man in a house, to explain about how demons leave a person, and then “travel through arid places”, before coming back to the cleaned “house” (person), this time bringing along seven more spirits more evil than itself.

That verse has always been one of those ones that just made very little sense to me, where eventually you just shrug your shoulders and move on, figuring that well, Jesus obviously knows what he’s talking about, so, okay!

I had always been really confused by what “arid places” could mean, or why Jesus would say it like that, if he was describing sort of how a demon would just “fly around in the air” after being cast out. Were demons bound to dry air? Were they somehow pulled towards the desert? Hmmmm. Of course, that’s not what any of us who believe in the reality of demonic spirits would realistically think, because we logically we understand that these spirits are bound within a certain dimensional barrier somehow. They don’t literally fly through the physical air molecules like a mist, prowling for people to inhabit.

But here again, this “barren land” realization is part of a larger theme I’ve been exploring lately, involving this broader question of there being “places” in a dimensional sense.

Most of us who believe in some form of spirituality are probably already likely to believe in this already, on some conceptual level at least. I’d say that I more or less always did, but I suppose it is only now that I am beginning to stretch my imagination further, in pondering just how much this dimensional aspect may permeate our reality, our entire universe…

We tend to think of other “dimensions” as being a fairly ethereal thing. At least I’d say I did. But maybe now that I’ve been taking a much more serious look into things like the concept of the “firmament”, or the idea of the stars themselves being both a physical aspect of our Created world, and also, somehow, attached to luminous, angelic beings. The “multidimensional universe”… This concept has taken such a hold of me. My whole comprehension of the distinctions between what we call “physical”, and what we call “spirit”, seems so much more complex, and yet, so much simpler at the same time now.

In the Book of Enoch, he basically describes being taken up into the heavens, where he talks about walls being built of “crystal stones”, and “portals” (basically doorways) and rings and pillars of fire, etc. He sees mountains made of gems and fountains in the deep, etc., and He sees the very throne of God. The “desolate place” where the Watchers and spirits are imprisoned, is described as having no water in it, as well as no water OVER it either. I find that very interesting. It propels this notion that the firmament over our own place of existence does indeed have water OVER it. This actually makes a lot of sense, when we think about the Great Flood and other things, and I have also wondered if the “sea of glass” or “sea of crystal” described in Revelation and elsewhere, doesn’t in fact pertain to something going on at the top of firmament…(!?) It’s very weird, but also very thrilling too, to start thinking of all these possibilities in a more literal, yet “multi-dimensional” way.

I suppose the reason this would be of any real practical significance for us, at least while we’re still on this side of eternity, is when considered in the context of all that is progressing in the World right now, in terms of things like CERN, and the Luciferian agenda, etc. The Bible speaks of a time where the events are so incredible, amazing, and terrifying, that men essentially become paralyzed with fear.
I do believe that part of keeping our Faith in the times ahead, involves taking a deep look at the scriptures and at least being willing to keep an open mind towards a broader cosmology that might be a far cry from the traditional modernistic, dichotomous mentality that mainstream Evangelicalism has held, particularly in the last century or two. We need to be in such a place as to not be surprised or overwhelmed by whatever crazy or mind-blowing things may transpire in the coming times. We should be able to stand firm, and unmoved, even if we WERE to witness things as fantastic and frightening as the spiritual veil being torn, and entities from the dimensional realm of the “barren land” being unleashed upon our own plane of earthly existence for a short time.

I do believe this is what they have been conspiring FOR, all these millennia. It was the Bible prophecies will take place, when it speaks of Apollo, or Abaddon, coming up out the Abyss, out of the “pit”, with his hordes. It a very real place, this desolate land…

It’s gonna get weird, folks. But we should not be shocked or dismayed by any of it. The scriptures tell us who the victor is, who is the King over heaven and earth, death and hades, over every dimension, every creature, every spirit. We know Who will judge all, when the Books are opened, and the dead are raised, and we look forward to that Day…

Perspectives and Paradigms…

Instead of just doing another post about the more technical/scientific questions surrounding the Flat Earth issue, I wanted to step back for a second and reflect on a few of the more philosophical aspects which I’ve come to notice since really digging into it all.

I think one of the oddest things for me to realize, has been that despite how extreme and ridiculously counter-consensus the idea of the Earth being flat might be to most, in the end, regardless of whether the Earth is a ball or a plane, it actually has very little pragmatic effect on my broader “worldview” (oh look, a pun!).

What I mean is, I already believed that there was a massive international conspiracy and “secret government” of Luciferians. I already believed Satan is manipulating this human pyramid power structure in order to ultimately establish his own throne over the entire world. I already believed that this agenda will ultimately be defeated at the coming of Jesus on the clouds. I already believed that man trying to save himself, whether via transhumanism, or the colonization of outer space, or merging with A.I., or joining in with the fallen angels, etc., was all destined to fail. I already believed that the moon landings were fake, for whatever reason. I already believed that there were no “ancient aliens”, but instead fallen Watchers, and that there will not be any future “alien saviors” either, but perhaps a UFO disclosure/deception on a grand scale. I could go on and on, but the point is, that in either a globe or flat earth model, nothing of major significance really changes. The Enemy’s lies and propaganda are still what they are, and the only true means of escape is still what (or Who) it is…

Three+point+perspective+drawing+grid+worms+eye+viewSo I suppose in that sense, it makes it quite unimposing, to ask these kinds of bizarre questions, and listen to arguments that many people would automatically dismiss and ignore as absurd, because ultimately, my paradigm is not threatened in the slightest either way. I really have no “dog in the fight” on this one. There is no confirmation bias to avoid. I have lived for many years now believing the Earth was a globe, and still quite readily was able to believe in the Creator as is revealed in the Bible, as do so many others.

Yet, this segues to another element of the Flat Earth discussion which I have found to be both surprising and very fascinating. Amongst so many of the various “leaders” of this discussion, people writing about it and making videos etc., there is really a very large percentage who openly articulate their rejection of the Evolutionary paradigm we have all been taught as “scientific fact” our whole lives. Now, many of these folks have some degree of belief in the Bible so this would not be all that unusual, but I would have to say that an even larger proportion do not, and to me that is very interesting. Call it more of a “Deism”, or a mysticism, or whatever other brand of “spirituality”, it is noticeably present. In a way, it seems to confirm a lot of observations that many have made, about a broader shift going on in the current generation, which indeed is rejecting the scientific materialism of Modernism, and also the relativistic ambivalence of Post-Modernism, and actually returning to the mythology and spirituality of an earlier epoch.

So indeed, I find it very telling that within this “Flat Earth community”, you do find a good number of people pointing back to Genesis and the Bible, and talking about the “firmament” and the stars in Revelation and so on, but then you also find guys like Eric Dubay, who has tons of fantastic material on the physical evidence for the Earth being a plane, but then in terms of his spiritual message he’ll go from blasting Dawkins and the hopeless message of a cold Evolutionary universe on the one hand, to blasting Christianity and claiming that the Bible is simply mythologized paganism and not meant to be treated literally (turns out he’s a big Tsarion fan, so that makes sense…)

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But I have to say, I do find it quite amusing, the more I learn about the various figures who have risen to prominence within the Flat Earth “movement”, and watched as accusations of “SHILL!!!” are being thrown back and forth, by everyone, against virtually everyone else who doesn’t hold the exact same flat earth model, or conspiratorial bent, as they do. You would think that the fact that all these people are in agreement on the same basic ideas which the rest of the populace rejects and ridicules with such fervor would serve to create a much stronger climate of unity and open discussion, but, alas, I suppose the example of the Protestant Reformation serves to remind us of how quickly and easily factions and dissensions can arise, once the prevailing monolithic authority on Truth is finally broken away from…

Speaking of this notion of a “Flat Earth movement”, this is another interesting piece to encounter, the fact that so many people are quite convinced that the truth of the Earth being flat is really and truly “blowing wide open”, and that it could even perhaps be this revolutionary linchpin of information which compels the citizenry of the world to finally break free from the shackles of the satanic Elite. I would have to say that I am highly doubtful of this notion, though at the same time I can understand why people could imagine such a thing. Six months ago, there was not a whole lot of buzz about the Flat Earth goin on within the “Truth Movement” (a corny term I know, but for lack of a better one…) But largely due to Mr. Mark Seargent and his “Flat Earth Clues” videos, and copious amounts of high-profile interviews, it has really sparked a wildfire. Youtube has probably quadrupled the number of flat earth videos in the last several months, and so in a very real sense this sudden increase of interest in a topic, especially one that has so long been held to be taboo and idiotic, is most remarkable. Many are debating whether it is truly an organic, naturally-occurring internet phenomenon, or some kind of disinfo psy-op. People are either becoming intrigued themselves by the idea and the questions being posed, or totally offended and freaking out and going into full-on “debunk mode”.

“This is going to make the whole Truth Movement look completely asinine!”, cry the debunkers. And again, I get it. That’s sort of the whole thing about perspectives on Truth, and whether or not a particular proposition challenges or threatens our currently held paradigm. It’s like if you stumble across a mama bear with her cubs while hiking through the woods. In about a second or two, she’s going to decide if your intrusion poses a threat to her babies, and if it does, then look out! Claws and teeth…

But maybe that’s part of why I am shockingly not even that weirded out by taking a serious look at something like the Flat Earth, because honestly, I’ve been living with being regarded as “asinine” by teachers, peers, random strangers, for most of my life already, because I reject the dogma which asserts that after billions and billions of years, everything we see formed itself out nothing. The claws of ridicule and teeth of intimidation on behalf the “scientific establishment” are nothing new around here. “What? You believe the Bible and take it literally? Don’t you know anything about SCIENCE!?!?” I mean, good grief, tell me one I haven’t heard…

Perspective2Anyways. It is the phenomenon of our human instinct to protect the paradigms that appeal to us most which prompts me to doubt that the broader swath of humanity would actually even go as far as to openly question if we really could have ALL been lied to about something so big, for so long. That hurdle alone is the main reason why the majority cannot even allow themselves to question something as comparatively simple as 9/11. They simply cannot, or will not, accept the notion of a lie being that BIG. It’s crazy to think that it’s really that easy, but it is. Just make the lie big enough, and the collective pride of humanity balks at the suggestion that so many of us could be so easily fooled. This, combined with the fact that truth is most often times much more unsettling and scary than the fairy tale everyone is accustomed to believing, makes for a rather impenetrable psychological barrier to an opposing narrative…

This is a large reason why I’m not holding my breath about the Flat Earth “revolutionizing” anything. Neither to I expect any sort of “mass awakening” in regards to the bogus War on Terror, or the reality of cloaked Eugenics programs invading every corner of our lives, or whatever else. It’s not for lack of evidence, simply lack of willingness to find the truth, no matter how unpleasant it is, or how much ridicule one might experience for seeking it. A lot of people who are taking the Flat Earth seriously have commented that if is true, then indeed it would constitute the greatest Conspiracy in the history of conspiracies, and I too have thought this very same thing.

However, it has occurred to me recently that, as a follower of Jesus, and believer in the Holy Scriptures, and one who puts my Hope in the return of the One True King, I have had to stop and recognize that no, not even THAT would be the “mother of all conspiracies”. There is yet one more that is greater still. A lie regarding the nature of the created world, the cosmos, everything around us, is massive indeed, but a lie regarding the Creator of the Creation, is even bigger, and of far greater Untitled-52importance. It is actually a lie that any individual can choose for themselves to believe/disbelieve, based on the inclinations of our wayward, sinful natures, rejecting whatever evidence to the contrary that surrounds us. The rebellious heart steers it’s course, and the head follows.

We see only that which we are willing to see, and this holds true for the natural world, the existence of God, and the condition or our inner being. That is where perspective starts, where true clarity begins. Once you stop defending, stop pretending, stop insisting on propping up the walls of the fictitious kingdom of our own godhood, both individually and as a “species”, this is when our vision really starts to come into focus, and the fantastic, Created reality all around begins to fully unfold…

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Nephilim, the Book of Enoch, and lingering questions…

Yesterday I was listening to a really interesting interview done by Derek Gilbert, who spoke with Guy Malone about the topic of the Nephilim, and how this rather peculiar topic has started to become the source of an alarming amount of contention in certain circles.  Guy’s work deals mainly with people afflicted by various elements of the UFO phenomenon, but since there has been so many people who have connected ufology and the concept of modern-day nephilim, he has ended up doing a lot of research and teaching on that issue as well.  He talks about how before he had been in a place of putting a lot of credance to the book of Enoch, making use of all the typical biblical arguments (the quote from Jude, for instance…), but now after several years has had to make some changes to his perspective.  He shares about how some Christians have actually come to the sad place of rigorously debating whether or not “modern nephilim” can be saved… (!?)  Something which honestly sounds pretty dang “out there”, even to someone like me…

Interestingly enough a lot of what he had to say about Enoch have more or less been directions that I’ve found myself gravitating towards lately as well.  I initially was really blown away when I read about the “Watchers”, and the accounts of how they married human women and created their own little kingdoms, with themselves being more or less god-kings, and how they taught mankind the arts of war, and seduction, and sorcery, and all the rest…   So in the interview Guy talks about how he’s had to go back, and rethink his acceptance of the book of Enoch as being not canonical, but still having some kind of weight.   He refers to a video he helped produce called “The Case Against the Book of Enoch”, (seen below) which I then sat down and watched.

I will say that there was a great deal of info in this presentation that I found really helpful and informative.  They go to great lengths to explain the many places where the Book of Enoch does’t jive with the Old Testament, and also spend a lot of time to show that in fact the Book of Enoch is not even needed in order to have evidence for things like the Sons of God marrying the daughters of men, their hybrid (giant) offspring, or even the judgement of the Nephilim and their fallen angel fathers as they were thrown into the Abyss. 

The section where they get into the idea of the “principle of replication” was extremely interesting as well, where they go into explaining their case for the idea that while man and woman come together to create a new life, it is from the father that the spirit is passed down from.  Though it may sound a little strange at first, such a concept really would seem to make sense when considering how the Nephilim were both partially physically human, but spiritually speaking they were as fallen as their fathers.  (It also makes a lot of sense when you think about things like the virgin birth…)

However, as I continued on through the video, and then later took some looks through more of their material online, the thing that puzzles me is that after all of this exteremely thorough treatment of Enoch, as it compares to scripture (which all sounded pretty convincing), they then go on to talk about how the nephilim that were around after the flood (such as the giants in Canaan when Joshua and the spies went in) weren’t really true “nephilim” at all, but only people who happened to inherit a recessive gene for giantism, that must have been passed down through either Noah’s wife or his daughters-in-law.  They try to explain that the true “Nephilim” and the later “Rephaim” are distinct from one another, and so how this concept of their being any true fallen-angel-descended nephilim after the flood is erroneous… 

I guess in some ways I can maybe understand why Guy might feel swayed to come to such a conclusion, particularly after bearing witness to more and more people who are now making these pretty bizarre conclusions about how the gospel doesn’t apply to certain people today because they are (or at least believe they are) modern-day nephilim…

The only thing that trips me up with this however, is the fact that when we read Genesis 6:4, it plainly says, “The Nephilim were on the earth in those days–and also afterward–when the sons of God went to the daughters of men and had children by them.”  So if the nephilim before the blood were the progeny of fallen angels and human women, then it would that you’d have to say that the same thing were somehow also around after the flood too.  (Because, well, that’s just what it says!)

One of the things that really blew my mind when I first started to take seriously the whole concept of the “Genesis 6 paradigm”, was when I started then reflecting on how so much of the ancient mythology and pagan tradition has such a large amount of “overlap” with this concept, in the sense of the massively recurring themes of “gods” and demigods all over the world, legends of giants, and tales of beings that came down from the sky and gave civilization to men, etc.  From basically that point on, I have been unable to keep myself from wondering about just how much of those myths/legends were merely hand-me-down stories from the antediluvian era (with a “pro-demonic” spin of course…), and how much of this “mythology”, the worshipping of fallen angels and demons as “gods” over a particular city/kingdom, (in a very direct way) carried over into the generations after Noah…

When you look at things such as the building of the tower of Babel, the king Nimrod and the city of Babylon, it’s hard not to see that there appears to be a very similar out working of what we think of as occurring in the pre-flood days…  And if indeed the Israelite spies were seeing true, post-flood Nephilim when surveying the land of Canaan, then it sort of begs the question, did more angels fall, after the flood, and commit the same sins as before the flood?  That seems like it would be hard to understand, after God going through such trouble to wipe out the incredible sin and the genetic corruption that had covered the earth once before…

I guess for me the element of this whole “topic” that most seems like it has actual, here-and-now implications, is basically the question of whether or not  the current “Satanic echelon” is comprised of mostly or all demon-spirits (who very well could be the spirits of the deceased Nephilim…), or if fallen angelic hosts (who can exist as both ethereal spirits, or manifest into a physical body) are still a part of the mix…

Seems like part of the reason for so much ambiguity about this matter, is the fact that people can have all sorts of “encounters” which may be only happening in a spiritual sense, but which can seem every bit as real and tangible as every day life.  This is an aspect that people like Guy Malone obviously understand all too well, and so it would seem to make it difficult to ascertain if someone was every actually seeing a physically-manifested fallen angel, or just having type of psychic experience in which they believed they were seeing one…

I’d say a big reason that I never got too worked up about the notion of “modern-day nephilim” has to do with good ol’ Ephesians 6: “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.”  To me, Nephilim would definitely seem to qualify as “flesh and blood”, and as such the Bible seems to negate the idea that at some point we’d have to worry about dealing with their ilk again.  Some people then of course look very closely at the whole genetic modification thing, and think that the “new” nephilim will have something to do with that, instead of the original angel-sired generation of nephilim, but I just don’t know…

One thing I really appreciated about Guy Malone’s approach to this topic, was how he went into detail on Matthew 24, and really took apart this popular notion that the phrase “As in the days of Noah, so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man” means that there will again be Nephilim on the earth before Christ returns.  That sloppy interpretation has kind of bugged for a while, and it was good to see someone who is more “respected” in the field stand up and point that out…

Hmmmm.  I dunno….  I guess when I first came across it, the whole Nephilim thing seemed to really have a lot of significance (I guess the fact that Tom Horn was one of the first teachers I came across when researching the “NWO” probably played a part in that…), but now I’m just not quite sure what to think about it.  Maybe it’s not that significant after all.  Maybe, as the title of Derek’s interview alludes, there might be more distraction going on than any real threat…(?)