This video explores some questions that have been poking at my brain for a few weeks now, and interestingly enough, the dome/oculus symbolism was something that seemed to keep popping up on my radar even before I had started looking into FE at all. Please remember that when it comes to the concept of portals, “stargates” etc., we are essentially speaking of dimensional realities, and not necessarily a literal, physical “door in the heavens” (although I would say it is still a “literal” door, just not a physical one that can necessarily be accessed from our own current dimensional existence…)
Still putting the pieces together of course, still pondering lots of avenues and angles. I did want to include this video from R$E as well, and I think you can easily see how there is definitely a confluence of ideas going on here.
(and he touches upon it again towards the middle of the video below as well:)
And amazingly, we see the same dome/oculus symbolism yet AGAIN in more commercials/media:
This. Is. Epic. Possibly the best comprehensive documentary touching on all these issues I’ve seen thus far. The first two hours offer a very well edited and fairly exhaustive compilation of the all the typical questions involving “Flat Earth proofs”, the true Biblical support of this model, as well as the evidence for a vast Luciferian N.W.O. agenda manipulating NASA and so much more. This portion alone would stand tall as a very well made piece, weaving together TONS of information in a manner which flows very naturally and is quite easy to watch. They really put a lot of effort into making this into a solid presentation.
But then, the final 45 minutes or so gets REALLY good, examining how the “Cosmic origins agenda” followed the “space race” agenda, and shows how the two fit together quite seemlessly, as seen now with CERN being the true “rebuilt tower of Babel”, the “Rainbow Bridge”, the “stargate”, etc., with which they intend to pierce the veil, punch through the Firmament, and invade the heavens… The UN logo, amazingly, not only depicts the flat earth map, (dividing the Earth into 33 regions), but ALSO has encoded within it a depiction of the 8-spoked “wheel of time”, just like the LHC, and the same elements can be found within the logo for “2015: The Year of Light” as well.
It shows how the UFO/alien Deception fits into the Globe/NASA deception, along with the Vatican, along with the LHC, all working together to bring about the very things which God revealed to the apostle John, almost two thousand years ago. If you are already in the place where your eyes are being opened to the Flat Earth issue, and don’t have time watch the entirety of this film, then I’d say it’s still well worth your time to watch that last 45 minutes. It even talks the New World Religion of “One-ness” which I’ve talked about in previous posts.
It’s all coming together, oh man… All these pieces we’ve been looking at individually for years now. To a degree that I honestly am not sure I ever fully expected to see it. This is it, the Great Deception, unfolding before our very eyes! This IS “Mystery Babylon”… And it’s only now being revealed to us, not by our own wisdom, but by the God of Heaven and Earth, the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End…
This is just one of those crazy, Holy-Spirit-confirming kind of junctures for me, to be honest, because again and again I keep coming across other people who are seeing how all these pieces fit together too. This video puts it all together far better than my own feeble abilities of explanation could do. CERN is the “key”. Lucifer’s weapon is light…
So here is the video version of my previous post on The Book of Enoch, Truthers, and Questioning the Globe.
I think it came out okay for the most part, but I was admittedly having issues with the microphone for about the first third of the vid, so hopefully the crackles from that aren’t too distracting. It does get better as it goes along. Also, I apologize if the music is too distracting for some people as well. That tends to be the biggest complaint I’ve had about all my previous videos (“The move is too loud, I can’t hear the narration…”), so, yeah, if that’s the case, I would recommend listening with headphones instead of any laptop or phone speaker. I really do hate the sound of my own voice in the end, and I will be the first to declare that my narrating skills are pretty embarrassing, so, I guess having music in the background helps me feel less “naked” while doing, audio-wise. Anyhow, enjoy.
(the following is what I am hoping will serve as an adequate transcript for a I video I hope to complete and upload by sometime next week. Figured I’d go ahead and throw the textual content of it up here)
The Book of Enoch…
In recent years however, there has been a resurgence in the interest with this ancient writing. Large portions of it were discovered amongst the collections of the Dead Sea Scrolls in the famous Caves at Qumran. Many people who believe that the eschatological prophecies of the Bible are increasingly beginning to be fulfilled in our time, have also concluded that there is a great deal of relevance to be found in the book of Enoch, towards the events we see unfolding. Indeed, the ancient mystery schools, which are the occultic heritage of the modern day Luciferian, New World Order agenda, could be said to trace their origins all the way back to the days before the Flood, when the 200 Watcher angels, prompted by Azazel, or Satan, abandoned their heavenly posts and came down to Earth, taking human women as their wives, who bore to them hybrid offspring, giants, called the Nephilim, who ravaged the Earth until almost all of Creation was corrupted.
Students of prophecy today can look at these events in our distant past, and conclude that it might very well bode as a warning for what kinds of genetic abominations might be incorporated into the anti-christ’s One World Kingdom, which is right now being rapidly put into place. Many teachers such as Chuck Missler, Tom Horn, Doug Hamp and others, have helped reintroduce the book of Enoch, pointing out things such as the insufficiency and contradictory nature of the “Sethite theory”, (commonly used for generations to explain away the passages in Genesis 6 which speak about the Nephilim), and how books in the New Testament refer to it as well, the book of Jude quoting from Enoch directly, and calling it “prophecy”. Indeed, the topic of Enoch, the Nephilim and how the fallen Watchers taught mankind all sorts of wicked knowledge, such as sorcery and astrology and warfare and seduction, is a far more widely accepted idea than it was even just ten years ago. Secular tv shows such as “ancient aliens” have even helped bring awareness of the book’s existence to the mainstream…
Enter the Flat Earth…
As most of you know, in the past six months or so, the internet has seen an sudden and unexpected exponential rise in the discussion surrounding the question of the true nature of the Earth itself, as well our universe as a whole. Bolstered by years of questionable NASA footage, an increasing awareness of how much the government and it’s various agencies lie to the public about all manner of things, and the realization that there are people behind the scenes manipulating virtually every aspect of what we are told is reality, this really shouldn’t be all that surprising.
Just a few months ago, I would’ve scoffed at the idea of a Flat Earth just as heartily as anyone else. About a year prior to that, I would’ve still been rolling my eyes at the suggestion that the Apollo missions didn’t actually make it to the moon’s surface. Rewind five years before that, and I was still unable to conceive of the notion that the 9/11 attacks were carried out by elements within the American government itself.
In each case, my initial disbelief was confronted by some new piece of data which could not be made to conform to the official narrative. The intrusion of new data would refuse to go away, and agitate my thoughts like a burr under a saddle, prompting deeper investigation, until the questions grew into skepticism, and then skepticism grew towards finally having to question, and perhaps rethink, a framework of beliefs which I had held for a very, very long time.
So, this is what strikes me as particularly interesting, and rather odd actually, in terms of this current debate going on within the quote “Truth movement” around the flat Earth. Especially in terms of so many of my fellow Christians, who on the one hand have for YEARS been talking about the Book of Enoch, and Genesis 6 and the Nephilim and so on, but now when it comes to this Flat Earth issue, I find it ironic that so many of them appear all too ready to just write it off as a “distraction” or a “psy-op” or whatever else, and get in line with the scoffers before really doing much in-depth investigation on their own, (Rob Skiba excluded!)
The reason I find it so ironic, is that if you really take a look at all that the Book of Enoch talks about, you will quickly see that it speaks about far more than just the Watchers coming down and creating the Nephilim. The majority of the Book actually deals with how Enoch is basically taken and given a tour of the entire Cosmos by a heavenly angel, and it is quite hard to deny the degree to which his descriptions fall right in line with the basic ancient Hebrew model of the Flat Earth. Enoch describes the Earth having distinct edges, there are “portals” and “gates” at each of the four cardinal directions. There are “storehouses” for certain elements such as the winds, the lightning and thunder, and the frost. It speaks about the four corners, about the four pillars, and a great deal about the firmament as well, above which is the very throne room of God, just as the typical ancient cosmology reflects. There are literal, cave-like pits under the Earth, a literal Sheol, as well as another place, a dry, desert-like place of chaos, which has no water either above or below it. An “outer darkness”, where certain angels and spirits are held imprisoned until the Day of Judgement.
Now, beyond all of this, Enoch speaks a great deal of not only the basic idea of the Earth being a plane, covered by the firmament, with water both above and below, etc., but also about how there are all these various orders of angelic beings, who have been assigned different jobs basically, in accordance with the different physical elements of the Earth, sky, heavens, and so on. In this “Enochian cosmology”, the Creation is not merely material and mechanical, but rather vastly multi-dimensional and involving the routine participation of immortal, sentient beings in the daily function of all that is going on around us. The sun and moon and stars are all shown to be intentioned by God to follow their assigned circuits, as the spirits assigned to these duties fulfill them. The “Luminaries” are said to even have dwellings or abodes within the heavens, as though they have actual doors in the firmament which lead to their own little angelic apartments! In the context of all of this, I find it most interesting then to consider the idea of the “Fallen Stars”, the fallen Watcher angels, juxtaposed against the idea of the “wandering stars”, those bodies today we call the planets, envisioning them to be other spherical planetoids, millions of miles away, orbiting the sun. But are we sure that’s really what they actually are? Do we even have a single photograph of a planet, which hasn’t actually been a “composite” or just an outright painting or CGI rendering…?
Anyhow, the fundamental question regarding all this extremely mythological stuff from the book of Enoch which speaks of luminaries and firmaments and such, is ultimately; “Is this ‘Enochian Cosmology’ really just a more detailed examination of what already can be found in the Biblical description?”
I find it to be quite parallel to the same sort of question that is so often asked when dealing with Enoch in the context of the Nephilim question. Does the Bible actually already teach this basic idea that “the Sons of God” had offspring with the “daughters of men”? Like I said, more and more people are beginning to agree that in fact it does, and amazingly, by doing so are then realizing that by letting this piece back into the Biblical puzzle, it actually helps to explain a LOT about other parts of the Bible which were previously rather confusing as well, such as the matter of why God commanded the Israelites to wipe out certain tribes entirely from Canaan, or why Paul makes that bizarre comment about women covering their heads “because of the angels”, or why demons freak out when Jesus threatens to cast them into the Abyss, and so on.
So, when we look seriously at that question, when we start to take a fresh look at the traditional canonical scriptures, suspending for a moment all of our modern assumptions about how it does actually describe a globe Earth, then what do we really start to find…?
I honestly can’t tell anyone what to think, because I do believe that this is one of those issues which really is first dependent on one’s own predetermined level of openness. It is really pointless to try and force someone to question something which they are internally quite unprepared to question. All I can really speak for is myself, and to the fact that when I actually began to start taking a new look at the Bible, to see if it really could be said to describe not just a globe but a vast, expansive, Copernican-esque universe, or, instead something which more closely resembles the “dome idea”, well, I was pretty amazed at what I very quickly began to see.
Right off the bat, you can start there in Genesis 1, where it says God hovered over the “waters”. What waters? Water, before an Earth? Weird… And then, right there, he separates the waters, and makes the “sky”. Right there, in the first chapter of the first book of the Bible, it’s talking about the firmament… The earth is created before even the sun, moon and stars. Light was created and separated from darkness, before God created any of the light sources. (again, weird…) And on it goes from there. You go through books like Psalms, or the prophets, and see it talking about the corners of the earth, the earth being fixed and unmovable, the sky being stretched out like a tent. You get to the book of Job, and the last few chapters are intensively descriptive of a dynamic, Enochian flat Earth model. It even mentions “Leviathan”, the massive sea creature, which lurks in the water depths surrounding the Earth’s foundations. In Job, God talks about it like a literal creature.
There is so much to reconsider from this alternate vantage point. The ascension of Jesus, as well as His triumphant return, where the Bible says everyone on the Earth will see Him in His glory… (kind of hard to imagine how that works on a ball Earth..) I think about the Tower of Babel, I re-evaluate things like “Jacob’s Ladder”. The “Star of Bethlehem”, suddenly seems to make a lot more sense within this Cosmology as well. Then you get to Revelation, and again, the direct connection between angels and stars is virtually undeniable. How do entire stars fall to Earth, if they are millions of miles away, comprised of massive nuclear explosions many times larger than Earth? How do such falling stars have names, and personification? How DOES the sky actually get “rolled up like a scroll”…? There are so many verses, so many descriptions, which start to take on new life, and make a lot more sense, when we allow ourselves to consider them through a paradigm that is yes, rejected and ridiculed by mainstream scientific institutions. (the same institutions, remember, which also scoff at anyone who doesn’t accept that we are all evolved hairless apes, and that everything in the Universe essentially created itself out of one single point of infinitely compressed matter, billions of years ago…)
So… The question I would end with is for my fellow Christian brothers and sisters, my fellow students of Biblical prophecy, and particularly, my fellow adherents of the “Genesis 6 paradigm”, who are so fond of talking about Matthew 24 and how “as in the days of Noah, so shall the coming of the Son of Man be”, and pointing to the Book of Enoch as an authentic, “Biblically-endorsed” work that people should take seriously, because of all the End Times ramifications and implications involving things like transhumanism and alien deceptions and everything else, is this: HOW does one pick and choose which portions of I Enoch to take seriously? How can the Nephilim idea be emphasized so heavily and so routinely, even though that in itself is largely rejected and ridiculed, both by mainstream Christianity and the secular world, while the BULK of the content in that Book which would lend great weight to the argument for investigating much further the possibility that the Earth might INDEED be flat, and might very well have a dome-like firmament, and the sun, moon and start might be very, very close, is summarily rejected?
Just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. I don’t get how “Truthers”, whether Christian or non, for that matter, can make these kinds of statements about how the Flat Earth issue could “destroy the credibility of the Truth movement” and so on.. Am I confused, or isn’t the solitary objective of the “Truth Movement” supposed to be the unhindered, unapologetic quest to seek the TRUTH, no matter how laughable or counter-cultural or “conspiratorially wacky” it might seem to the mass majority?
Isn’t the idea supposed to be that there are no “stupid questions”, only stupid assumptions? And I find this PARTICULARLY weird when it comes to my fellow “Christian Truthers”! I mean, really!? You’re worried about appearing “credible”, or not looking like a crazy person, when you’re already talking about UFO’s being demonic and Nephilim hybrids and CERN being some kind of interdimensional portal that might open the Abyss in Revelation, and so on???? That ship of “perceived credibility” has sailed my friends. It was gone from the mainstream world when you started questioning things like the official narrative of 9/11, and it was even gone from the secular “Truthers” when you started talking about the Bible being true, and Jesus dying for our sins, and the Book of Revelation being something that is being fulfilled, right now, before our very eyes.
I honestly don’t care anymore about being viewed as “crazy” by other people. I am not afraid to ask questions that most people would find insufferable, or to entertain notions of conspiracies and cover-ups that most people would reject outright, simply because they cannot allow themselves to imagine that so many millions of people could all be fooled in such a way. But I know we’ve all been fooled, in all kinds of ways, and I myself have been no exception. I’ve had to cross that bridge of paradigm-reconstruction many times now, and I actually find it much less painful of a process nowadays than I used to.
I find it quite amazing, really, that so many people who are seriously questioning the globe model, and researching the possibility of the Earth being a plane, doing experiments with curvature and re-examining all the things we have been taught as unquestionable fact since we started kindergarten, so many of these folks, are not Christians, but atheists, agnostics, or people with all kinds of different “spiritualistic” beliefs. You’ve got people believing that our world is just one “puddle”, and that it sits on an infinite plane, a sheet of ice, riddled with an infinite number of other “puddle systems”, or other people who basically look at the Earth and the sky and the heavenly bodies as a huge collection of holograms and mechanistic fakery, the “Dark City” concept, and all sorts of other interesting theories about what the World is truly like.
So it’s quite odd to me, that for people who claim to believe in the Bible and take it as literal Truth, that we would find such questioning to be at all threatening, when we ALREADY believe in the realm of the Supernatural, in the existence of an Eternity beyond our temporal existence, in angels and demons and spiritual warfare between the two… Does the shape of the Earth threaten to change any of that? Has anyone started out questioning the globe, and by doing so eventually found themselves rejecting the Gospel, or abandoning the cross, because they couldn’t find proof that the Earth is really curved…?
I haven’t heard a single testimony of that kind as of yet, but I sure have encountered a lot of people who have wound up rejecting the Bible, and the Creator, in favor of the established “scientific fact” of an infinite, evolving Universe…. I know many people today, who bristle at the idea of an all-powerful God, with His oppressive morality, and instead prefer the prospect of there being “millions of other worlds out there”, potentially filled with an endless array of other intelligent species and “fellow travelers in the Evolutionary journey”. The “Star Trek Gospel” is a very real thing in our time, and more and more people are gravitating towards putting their hope in the possibility of having our “big brothers from Space” come along, and give us a little Evolutionary boost in our advancement towards godhood.
So that’s my rant. You can decide for yourself, if the “crazy” idea of a geocentric, angelically administrated Cosmos, where humanity is truly the focal point of Creation, and deemed worthy of being redeemed by Christ’s sacrifice, is something that fits within the description of Enoch, and most importantly the rest of the Bible. But to be able to make that decision, you have to be courageous enough to actually look. You have to be brave enough to ask those crazy questions for yourself…
“When the unclean spirit has gone out of a person, it passes through waterless places* seeking rest, and finding none it says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’” Luke 11:24 (*sometimes translated “arid places“)
“…But the rebellious dwell in a dry land.” Psalm 68:6
“And in the columns of heaven I beheld fires, which descended without number, but neither on high, nor into the deep. Over these fountains also I perceived a place which had neither the firmament of heaven above it, nor the solid ground underneath it; neither was there water above it; nor anything on wing; but the spot was desolate.
And there I beheld seven stars, like great blazing mountains, and like spirits entreating me. Then the angel said, This place, until the consummation of heaven and earth, will be the prison of the stars, and the host of heaven. The stars which roll over fire are those which transgressed the commandment of God before their time arrived; for they came not in their proper season. Therefore was He offended with them, and bound them, until the period of the consummation of their crimes in the secret year.” 1 Enoch 18:13-16
(another version says ” And beyond that abyss I saw a place which had no firmament of the heaven above, and no firmly founded earth beneath it: there was no water upon it, and no birds, but it was a waste and horrible place.”)
I have for a while now been a fan of Round Saturn’s Eye and his videos, (and continue to be, finding validity in both his personal testimony and confession of the Gospel), and there is one theme that pops up very frequently in his material, which just recently became a lot more clear to me.
He is constantly mentioning this idea/imagery of the “barren land“. He talks about it again and again and again and again, often times when breaking down the embedded symbolism in some commercial or movie or Olympic ceremony, or whatever, whenever some kind of desert-looking, salt-flats type of scenery is being shown. And it’s amazing how often this occurs, these shots of very Luciferian and nephilim related themes, constantly being filmed with a backdrop of this barren, desert landscape. And after a while, I was really starting to wonder, what is the deal with this “barren land” stuff, what is that supposed to symbolize?
Well recently when I was reading back through the chapters of 1 Enoch, (in the interest of seeing more of what it has to say regarding flat Earth ideas or “Enochian cosmology” etc.), I was reading that portion in the 18th chapter, where it is talking about when Enoch is being shown the place where the fallen Watchers are to be imprisoned until the Day of Judgement (“until the period of the consummation of their crimes in the secret year…”)
Suddenly the light bulb clicked on. I immediately thought of that verse where Jesus casts the evil spirit out of the mute man, and then uses the parable of tying up a strong man in a house, to explain about how demons leave a person, and then “travel through arid places”, before coming back to the cleaned “house” (person), this time bringing along seven more spirits more evil than itself.
That verse has always been one of those ones that just made very little sense to me, where eventually you just shrug your shoulders and move on, figuring that well, Jesus obviously knows what he’s talking about, so, okay!
I had always been really confused by what “arid places” could mean, or why Jesus would say it like that, if he was describing sort of how a demon would just “fly around in the air” after being cast out. Were demons bound to dry air? Were they somehow pulled towards the desert? Hmmmm. Of course, that’s not what any of us who believe in the reality of demonic spirits would realistically think, because we logically we understand that these spirits are bound within a certain dimensional barrier somehow. They don’t literally fly through the physical air molecules like a mist, prowling for people to inhabit.
But here again, this “barren land” realization is part of a larger theme I’ve been exploring lately, involving this broader question of there being “places” in a dimensional sense.
Most of us who believe in some form of spirituality are probably already likely to believe in this already, on some conceptual level at least. I’d say that I more or less always did, but I suppose it is only now that I am beginning to stretch my imagination further, in pondering just how much this dimensional aspect may permeate our reality, our entire universe…
We tend to think of other “dimensions” as being a fairly ethereal thing. At least I’d say I did. But maybe now that I’ve been taking a much more serious look into things like the concept of the “firmament”, or the idea of the stars themselves being both a physical aspect of our Created world, and also, somehow, attached to luminous, angelic beings. The “multidimensional universe”… This concept has taken such a hold of me. My whole comprehension of the distinctions between what we call “physical”, and what we call “spirit”, seems so much more complex, and yet, so much simpler at the same time now.
In the Book of Enoch, he basically describes being taken up into the heavens, where he talks about walls being built of “crystal stones”, and “portals” (basically doorways) and rings and pillars of fire, etc. He sees mountains made of gems and fountains in the deep, etc., and He sees the very throne of God. The “desolate place” where the Watchers and spirits are imprisoned, is described as having no water in it, as well as no water OVER it either. I find that very interesting. It propels this notion that the firmament over our own place of existence does indeed have water OVER it. This actually makes a lot of sense, when we think about the Great Flood and other things, and I have also wondered if the “sea of glass” or “sea of crystal” described in Revelation and elsewhere, doesn’t in fact pertain to something going on at the top of firmament…(!?) It’s very weird, but also very thrilling too, to start thinking of all these possibilities in a more literal, yet “multi-dimensional” way.
I suppose the reason this would be of any real practical significance for us, at least while we’re still on this side of eternity, is when considered in the context of all that is progressing in the World right now, in terms of things like CERN, and the Luciferian agenda, etc. The Bible speaks of a time where the events are so incredible, amazing, and terrifying, that men essentially become paralyzed with fear.
I do believe that part of keeping our Faith in the times ahead, involves taking a deep look at the scriptures and at least being willing to keep an open mind towards a broader cosmology that might be a far cry from the traditional modernistic, dichotomous mentality that mainstream Evangelicalism has held, particularly in the last century or two. We need to be in such a place as to not be surprised or overwhelmed by whatever crazy or mind-blowing things may transpire in the coming times. We should be able to stand firm, and unmoved, even if we WERE to witness things as fantastic and frightening as the spiritual veil being torn, and entities from the dimensional realm of the “barren land” being unleashed upon our own plane of earthly existence for a short time.
I do believe this is what they have been conspiring FOR, all these millennia. It was the Bible prophecies will take place, when it speaks of Apollo, or Abaddon, coming up out the Abyss, out of the “pit”, with his hordes. It a very real place, this desolate land…
It’s gonna get weird, folks. But we should not be shocked or dismayed by any of it. The scriptures tell us who the victor is, who is the King over heaven and earth, death and hades, over every dimension, every creature, every spirit. We know Who will judge all, when the Books are opened, and the dead are raised, and we look forward to that Day…
Hard to believe this is for a car commercial!
I’m really not even sure how to start this post off, or what is the best way to attempt to navigate through the jumble of thoughts in my head on this matter, but I have resolved to do my best, and see what might come of it.
The “flat vs. globe earth” debate continues to intrigue me, yet I think at this point my interest in leaning heavily towards the theological implications of the debate, particularly in the context of End Time prophecy and mass-deception-agendas, rather than simply just the material issue itself.
One point I find particularly notable is that on both sides of the issue, there is actually a pretty fair consensus on the basic matter that NASA is a fraudulent organization full of Masonic members and occult symbolism, and that they can hardly be trusted with a word they say. And so I think that it has been through encountering a large amount of people who on the one hand, agree that the moon landings were completely faked, and the NASA releases “composite” images of everything that they are supposedly studying in the universe, including the Earth itself, and so, has ultimately failed to produce what should now serve as the most irrefutable of evidences when it comes to this whole debate, and yet, they still not only believe in a round, globe earth, but still hold to every conventional belief about the solar system and the vast stretches of Space, this has really prompted me to ponder…
The whole driving force behind NASA and every other space agency is the fixation with what is “out there”… The other planets in our solar system. Other systems. Other galaxies. The dedication and excitement people feel towards NASA, or the Apollo and Mars missions, etc., is almost impossible to disentangle from our pop-culture obsession with the topic of exploring space, and how it saturates our entertainment media. Millions of us grew up watching Han telling Chewie to “punch it”, right before the wookie hits the switch and the stars streak past as they hit light speed. We nostalgically remember hearing William Shatner begin each episode of the iconic, first Star Trek series with the words “Space, the final frontier…” Indeed, I don’t think it would be an exaggeration to say that every person who ever put on a real spacesuit and climbed into a rocket, had been dreaming about “going where no man has gone before” since the time they were a little kid sitting in front of the tv set…
But when did this really begin? In the broader course of human history, I mean. How far back were people conceiving of planets being these fascinating and fantastic places that one might hope to experience? If there were no telescopes through which to peer before Galileo, and supposedly enable astronomers to realize that the “wandering stars” were actually other planetoids, like the Earth, orbiting the same sun, then isn’t it interesting to think that hundreds, nay, thousands of years before that, people had belief systems which incorporated the planets as being other dimensional realms, as they did in Vedic cosmology..?
Of course, in that kind of construct, the “universe” is not necessarily viewed as simply a massive expanse of time and space in all directions, but of a multi-dimensional existence. Hindu cosmology certainly isn’t alone in this either, since all ancient cultures and spiritual belief systems essentially held a similar belief in some form or another, the Bible being no exception. The Hebrew scriptures speak of the heavens, plural, indicating the notion of multiple higher dimensions of spiritual existence.
So what does this have to do with NASA and flat Earth debates? I suppose in my own little mind, it all keeps coming back to the same thematic elements described by Techrib in his discourse on Transformational Festivals, and the “myth of One-ness”, where he describes the now burgeoning phenomenon of what he describes as the “era of re-enchantment”…
In essence, it is the societal movement, occurring as we speak, whereby the scientific materialism and raw atheism of the past century is being rejected by the younger generations, who are in turn returning back to the mythologies and mysticisms of bygone eras, to “spirituality without religion”, to a reinvented, techno-enhanced paganism. We can see this phenomenon taking place everywhere we look, and it is not some accidental thing either, but actually being propagated and pushed by every mainstream media outlet conceivable. From Harry Potter mania to teenage vampire obsession to ghost hunter shows to transhumanist superheroes, and on and on, we see it everywhere. Real-live Google bigwigs like Kurzweil are dead serious in their quest to use technology to achieve immortality. People are enthralled by the idea of immortality, of special powers and human enhancement. Riveted by the prospect evolving into something “more”. Enchanted by the notion of becoming like miniature gods….
And, people are still very much dazzled by visions of exploring the reaches of Space…
Which I very much believe is quite connected, really, and a significant piece of the broader narrative being both proselytized and embraced. All in all, it is the simple concept of “endless possibility”, of “limitless potential”. No ultimate boundaries. No limit to the wonderful realms and worlds we might eventually explore. No barriers to what levels of evolution and “consciousness” we might attain, to help us get there…
And it’s funny too, having been watching in on this whole Flat Earth debate, because even within the “Flat Earth community”, as it were, there are varying opinions about things like whether or not there is some kind of “dome” or if the world just goes on forever, infinitely in all directions. I have heard people talk about how they believe that our sun and moon have effectively “melted out” the area in which we live from a vast expanse of ice, and that there are many other worlds, with their own sun/moon, melted out of the massive ice sheet, all over the place, beyond the bounds of our Antarctic, and that THIS is the big the “secret” that the Elites are keeping from everyone! Now, I am not trying to poke fun, but I will say that the real interesting part to me comes when you hear these believers in the “Puddle Theory”, as it’s called, speak to why they believe in this model. Do they have any sort of evidence pointing to this idea? No. They simply state that they simply can’t accept the idea of there being a barrier. They can’t accept the idea of a “prison Earth”…(!) Nevermind the fact that if they had never stumbled across the Flat Earth idea in the first place, they would’ve never in their whole lives worried about trying to travel to Antarctica, or to some other planet, but…. Once it is suggested that they can’t go outside of a certain boundary, no matter how far away it is, well then, hells bells, that’s just not tolerable!
I find it to be such a perfect example of a broader psychological reaction which really manifests itself in a variety of ways. The more I think about it all, the more it’s hard not to see how the doctrines of Evolution and “outer Space” are inextricably linked.
But okay, going back to this idea of these “Trekkie Generations”, (which is now all of us really), who have been collectively saturated with the believe in other worlds, in the belief in our ability to eventually explore and possibly “develop” them, and for the most part now too, the belief in other intelligent life in the universe. We have seen so many representations of achieving space travel and technology which rivals magic, that is has been embedded deeply into the core of our collective thought processes. This seed of belief, which has been planted and diligently cultivated over the decades, has effectively ingrained within us an insatiable desire to visit the dark sides of moons, to pass event horizons, to dive into black holes…
After all, to settle for anything less would be to deny our destiny as gods-in-the-making….
And so, having now walked through all of that clumsy preamble, I wish to simply ask you this:
Where does that hunger turn, that yearning to sail amongst the stars, and walk along the alien surfaces of unexplored worlds, if indeed the priests and gatekeepers of modern science who have promised us these things for years, prove to be ultimately incapable of delivering? What if the world as a whole came to a sudden and jarring realization of the massive fraud that NASA has been since the beginning? Would the dream of being able to fly through the cosmos, like Superman, just, die…?
Or would the longing to achieve cosmic, celestial divinity perhaps have to take another form? Would the masses instead look to the ancient idea that “outer space” can be grasped by first exploring “inner space”? Could it be sought through some new combination of space-age technology and occult wizardry? Is something to this effect already what is being done, by the Masonic hoaxsters, as they pretend to be going here and there by rocketship, while instead they are looking towards portals and inter-dimensional travel, “jump gates” and so on…? Were the Apollo missions some kind of ritual, an alchemical working, designed to baptize the public into the lower, materialistic, “profane” version of what they believe in on the esoteric and inter-dimensional level? A fictionalized version, for us to swallow, in order to cull our participation and approval (and taxpayer dollars) while simultaneously deflecting us from the true magikal agenda of it all…???
When I think about two recent space-related movies, “Interstellar” and “Gravity”, which came out around the same time, I do see them both fitting in to this sort of idea. “Gravity” more or less served to show just how dangerous and scary traditional approaches to space travel could be, while “Interstellar” portrays both how long it would take to travel far distances (using cry-sleep a la “Aliens” etc.) and also the idea of how much handier and easier it would be to travel through “wormholes” instead!
Anyhow, I know this has been a ramble-and-a-half, and I honestly don’t know if anyone will be able to read all of this and see the kinds of connections my brain is trying to make here, but, there it is. Is all this NASA-nonsense simply designed to prep the world for some kind of UFO deception? Could be, who knows. Maybe the “aliens” will teach everyone who is interested how to fully unlock their third eye and be able to travel anywhere they want to go instantly, (or, at least that’s what they’re promising…) I fully realize this post belongs solidly in the “massive speculation” drawer, but, I have to say that there has been something really nagging me about this whole weird thread of supposition. I feel like there is really something to all this, and I am certainly still sorting through it all, but it’s funny how certain themes and memes and everything can keep coming around and around again, weaving together, revealing a deeper whole over time…
It’s just pretty incredible really, to keep looking around at all these various elements of Modernism and Humanism, be it Evolution, scientific materialism, atheism, and see how it’s almost as if every piece was actually designed to bring the world all the way back around, full circle, back to the gurus and Druids and sorcerers of old, back to the ancient gods and goddesses, as the ones who will provide the fulfillment, of all that our years of sci-fi-fueled rocketeering has sought after. Somehow, it all speaks to the same underlying message, the same lie told by the serpent in the Garden…
If any of this, makes even a little bit of sense, to anyone, then please don’t hesitate to leave me a note. 😉
Instead of just doing another post about the more technical/scientific questions surrounding the Flat Earth issue, I wanted to step back for a second and reflect on a few of the more philosophical aspects which I’ve come to notice since really digging into it all.
I think one of the oddest things for me to realize, has been that despite how extreme and ridiculously counter-consensus the idea of the Earth being flat might be to most, in the end, regardless of whether the Earth is a ball or a plane, it actually has very little pragmatic effect on my broader “worldview” (oh look, a pun!).
What I mean is, I already believed that there was a massive international conspiracy and “secret government” of Luciferians. I already believed Satan is manipulating this human pyramid power structure in order to ultimately establish his own throne over the entire world. I already believed that this agenda will ultimately be defeated at the coming of Jesus on the clouds. I already believed that man trying to save himself, whether via transhumanism, or the colonization of outer space, or merging with A.I., or joining in with the fallen angels, etc., was all destined to fail. I already believed that the moon landings were fake, for whatever reason. I already believed that there were no “ancient aliens”, but instead fallen Watchers, and that there will not be any future “alien saviors” either, but perhaps a UFO disclosure/deception on a grand scale. I could go on and on, but the point is, that in either a globe or flat earth model, nothing of major significance really changes. The Enemy’s lies and propaganda are still what they are, and the only true means of escape is still what (or Who) it is…
So I suppose in that sense, it makes it quite unimposing, to ask these kinds of bizarre questions, and listen to arguments that many people would automatically dismiss and ignore as absurd, because ultimately, my paradigm is not threatened in the slightest either way. I really have no “dog in the fight” on this one. There is no confirmation bias to avoid. I have lived for many years now believing the Earth was a globe, and still quite readily was able to believe in the Creator as is revealed in the Bible, as do so many others.
Yet, this segues to another element of the Flat Earth discussion which I have found to be both surprising and very fascinating. Amongst so many of the various “leaders” of this discussion, people writing about it and making videos etc., there is really a very large percentage who openly articulate their rejection of the Evolutionary paradigm we have all been taught as “scientific fact” our whole lives. Now, many of these folks have some degree of belief in the Bible so this would not be all that unusual, but I would have to say that an even larger proportion do not, and to me that is very interesting. Call it more of a “Deism”, or a mysticism, or whatever other brand of “spirituality”, it is noticeably present. In a way, it seems to confirm a lot of observations that many have made, about a broader shift going on in the current generation, which indeed is rejecting the scientific materialism of Modernism, and also the relativistic ambivalence of Post-Modernism, and actually returning to the mythology and spirituality of an earlier epoch.
So indeed, I find it very telling that within this “Flat Earth community”, you do find a good number of people pointing back to Genesis and the Bible, and talking about the “firmament” and the stars in Revelation and so on, but then you also find guys like Eric Dubay, who has tons of fantastic material on the physical evidence for the Earth being a plane, but then in terms of his spiritual message he’ll go from blasting Dawkins and the hopeless message of a cold Evolutionary universe on the one hand, to blasting Christianity and claiming that the Bible is simply mythologized paganism and not meant to be treated literally (turns out he’s a big Tsarion fan, so that makes sense…)
But I have to say, I do find it quite amusing, the more I learn about the various figures who have risen to prominence within the Flat Earth “movement”, and watched as accusations of “SHILL!!!” are being thrown back and forth, by everyone, against virtually everyone else who doesn’t hold the exact same flat earth model, or conspiratorial bent, as they do. You would think that the fact that all these people are in agreement on the same basic ideas which the rest of the populace rejects and ridicules with such fervor would serve to create a much stronger climate of unity and open discussion, but, alas, I suppose the example of the Protestant Reformation serves to remind us of how quickly and easily factions and dissensions can arise, once the prevailing monolithic authority on Truth is finally broken away from…
Speaking of this notion of a “Flat Earth movement”, this is another interesting piece to encounter, the fact that so many people are quite convinced that the truth of the Earth being flat is really and truly “blowing wide open”, and that it could even perhaps be this revolutionary linchpin of information which compels the citizenry of the world to finally break free from the shackles of the satanic Elite. I would have to say that I am highly doubtful of this notion, though at the same time I can understand why people could imagine such a thing. Six months ago, there was not a whole lot of buzz about the Flat Earth goin on within the “Truth Movement” (a corny term I know, but for lack of a better one…) But largely due to Mr. Mark Seargent and his “Flat Earth Clues” videos, and copious amounts of high-profile interviews, it has really sparked a wildfire. Youtube has probably quadrupled the number of flat earth videos in the last several months, and so in a very real sense this sudden increase of interest in a topic, especially one that has so long been held to be taboo and idiotic, is most remarkable. Many are debating whether it is truly an organic, naturally-occurring internet phenomenon, or some kind of disinfo psy-op. People are either becoming intrigued themselves by the idea and the questions being posed, or totally offended and freaking out and going into full-on “debunk mode”.
“This is going to make the whole Truth Movement look completely asinine!”, cry the debunkers. And again, I get it. That’s sort of the whole thing about perspectives on Truth, and whether or not a particular proposition challenges or threatens our currently held paradigm. It’s like if you stumble across a mama bear with her cubs while hiking through the woods. In about a second or two, she’s going to decide if your intrusion poses a threat to her babies, and if it does, then look out! Claws and teeth…
But maybe that’s part of why I am shockingly not even that weirded out by taking a serious look at something like the Flat Earth, because honestly, I’ve been living with being regarded as “asinine” by teachers, peers, random strangers, for most of my life already, because I reject the dogma which asserts that after billions and billions of years, everything we see formed itself out nothing. The claws of ridicule and teeth of intimidation on behalf the “scientific establishment” are nothing new around here. “What? You believe the Bible and take it literally? Don’t you know anything about SCIENCE!?!?” I mean, good grief, tell me one I haven’t heard…
Anyways. It is the phenomenon of our human instinct to protect the paradigms that appeal to us most which prompts me to doubt that the broader swath of humanity would actually even go as far as to openly question if we really could have ALL been lied to about something so big, for so long. That hurdle alone is the main reason why the majority cannot even allow themselves to question something as comparatively simple as 9/11. They simply cannot, or will not, accept the notion of a lie being that BIG. It’s crazy to think that it’s really that easy, but it is. Just make the lie big enough, and the collective pride of humanity balks at the suggestion that so many of us could be so easily fooled. This, combined with the fact that truth is most often times much more unsettling and scary than the fairy tale everyone is accustomed to believing, makes for a rather impenetrable psychological barrier to an opposing narrative…
This is a large reason why I’m not holding my breath about the Flat Earth “revolutionizing” anything. Neither to I expect any sort of “mass awakening” in regards to the bogus War on Terror, or the reality of cloaked Eugenics programs invading every corner of our lives, or whatever else. It’s not for lack of evidence, simply lack of willingness to find the truth, no matter how unpleasant it is, or how much ridicule one might experience for seeking it. A lot of people who are taking the Flat Earth seriously have commented that if is true, then indeed it would constitute the greatest Conspiracy in the history of conspiracies, and I too have thought this very same thing.
However, it has occurred to me recently that, as a follower of Jesus, and believer in the Holy Scriptures, and one who puts my Hope in the return of the One True King, I have had to stop and recognize that no, not even THAT would be the “mother of all conspiracies”. There is yet one more that is greater still. A lie regarding the nature of the created world, the cosmos, everything around us, is massive indeed, but a lie regarding the Creator of the Creation, is even bigger, and of far greater importance. It is actually a lie that any individual can choose for themselves to believe/disbelieve, based on the inclinations of our wayward, sinful natures, rejecting whatever evidence to the contrary that surrounds us. The rebellious heart steers it’s course, and the head follows.
We see only that which we are willing to see, and this holds true for the natural world, the existence of God, and the condition or our inner being. That is where perspective starts, where true clarity begins. Once you stop defending, stop pretending, stop insisting on propping up the walls of the fictitious kingdom of our own godhood, both individually and as a “species”, this is when our vision really starts to come into focus, and the fantastic, Created reality all around begins to fully unfold…
I believe I posted something earlier about this, which was basically just a partial transcript of this interview, but yesterday I wound up actually listening to it, and all I can say is, wow. I don’t know if I’ve ever heard a single source cover so many “conspiratorial” topics, and from the perspective of personal connection mind you, not just from “researching” it. It just goes and goes, and really kind of served to “slap me awake” a little bit to be honest, in terms of reminding me just why things like Jade Helm and false flag terrorism and a “planned WWIII” etc., are really not some joke or paranoid delusion… This interview is actually from the late 90’s or early 2000’s I believe, but it seems to be getting a bit of a resurgence lately after being put back online via youtube recently. Crazy how much further things have progressed towards the bottom since even this was recorded…
I’m not sure I should even try to list the topics she mentions, but dang… It’s like a smorgasbord of “Praetorian” New World Order shenanigans: Inter-governmental intelligence operations, Operation Gladio-style assassins, illegal arms dealing, false flag terror, secret societies, Skull and Bones, Cap and Gown, O.S.S., mind-control, drug-running, the banking cartel, “Kabbalistic Zionists”, the mafia, Henry Kissinger, Linda Tripp, Lee Harvey Oswald, Benghazi, Bohemian Grove, homosexual orgies, blackmail, infiltration of the military, “Tailhook”, jag parties, gang stalking, Operation Paperclip, and on and on.
And I’m not even halfway through the almost seven hours of recorded material yet…
What I love about whistleblowers like these, is that if you saw this woman standing in line at the grocery store or something, you’d never think to yourself, “Hey, she’s probably some crazy conspiracy theorist!” She defies all the pathetic stereotypes, an intelligent, gentle, well-educated and well-travelled individual who loves her country and people in general. Almost every flag-waving, church-attending person I know would probably think she was just such a sweet soul who loves Jesus, yet they would have the hardest time accepting even a fraction of what she talks about as the truth.
War is a vehicle through which so much evil is able to be brought about. So much more so than simply the dead who fall on the battlefield. The Machine of War is vast and deceptive, and the governments and militaries of today, (which so many people still continue to put their hope in…), are in fact completely infiltrated and controlled by people who are in deep, deep bondage, to hollow existentialist philosophy, to sexual addiction and perversion, to fear, to the Fallen one, the god of this broken world. If we love the Truth and are true to Love, then there is no reason we should still be blindly rallying behind some flag, some political party, some nonsensical litany of “anti-terrorist” government propaganda, etc…
Okay. Sorry for the rant there. Just wanted to say that this interview is well worth listening to, so, check it out!